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I wish they also enacted multi-winner ranked choice voting (also called Single Transferable Vote) for legislature. Fair representation beats winner-takes-all sy

by mtgx 10y ago

I wish they also enacted multi-winner ranked choice voting (also called Single Transferable Vote) for legislature. Fair representation beats winner-takes-all systems every time, because it guarantees more than just two parties get to be in charge, much like in parliamentary systems (which also use some kind of fair/proportional representation voting system). But it's still a good start, and maybe other states will take a look at both, and choose a better system next time. By the way, this is exactly the sort of thing Sam Altman should be fighting for, along with joining Wolf-Pac, Represent.Us, and others to get money out of politics. Not try to use GOTV tactics to get people to vote for his preferred candidate. That is, if Altman still cares about this, and the "improve democracy thing" he pushed for earlier wasn't just a one time ruse to get people to vote for Clinton. If Altman is serious about improving democracy, these right here are by far the best ways to do it - way better than just trying to "increase turnout" in an election. Because for one, fair representation voting systems increase turnouts by default, because people feel better represented and have more reasons to go out and vote, and second, STV also eliminates gerrymandering, which would also greatly improve democracy by making seats less safe. http://www.wolf-pac.com/ http://www.wolf-pac.com/ https://represent.us/ https://represent.us/ STV by CGP Grey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI Droop method for STV is probably preferable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRc630BSTIg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRc630BSTIg Also preferred by FairVote: http://www.fairvote.org/fair_representation#what_is_fair_voting http://www.fairvote.org/fair_representation#what_is_fair_vot...

herge 10y ago
Ireland currently uses a PR-STV system, and if you ask any Irish person about their politicians, you will probably get an ear-full. STV pushes majors parties to sit on the political middle, where they might not collect as many '1's', but will collect a lot of 2s,3s,4s, etc, as more divisive parties/candidates will be ranked highly by a segment of the population but very lowly by the rest.
- arrosenberg 10y ago
  Are you saying that's a bad thing? The system should be designed to push the major parties to the middle - that's where they belong.
- mtgx 10y ago
  I'm not really stuck on STV, per se. Whatever proportional voting system the US chooses is fine by me. However, I think that if RCV is adopted, STV would be a natural extension to that. Plus, something like STV (or Dion's P3, which I actually like a bit more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLeClCrfgQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLeClCrfgQ) is more likely to be adopted in the US, than say something like list-based voting, because Americans like to directly elect candidates from their districts. But I do think STV is still far preferable to winner-take-all FPTP, where the winner may only represent 35-40% of the voters in a given district, or even RCV, where the winner may represent 50%+1 to ~55% of the voters in a district, which is obviously better, but it's still less preferable to being 3-5 winners in a larger district and from 3-5 parties, whereas RCV would still mostly allow the two main parties to rule, with some exceptions in a few districts.

by mtgx 10y ago

herge 10y ago

Ireland currently uses a PR-STV system, and if you ask any Irish person about their politicians, you will probably get an ear-full. STV pushes majors parties to sit on the political middle, where they might not collect as many '1's', but will collect a lot of 2s,3s,4s, etc, as more divisive parties/candidates will be ranked highly by a segment of the population but very lowly by the rest.

arrosenberg 10y ago
Are you saying that's a bad thing? The system should be designed to push the major parties to the middle - that's where they belong.
mtgx 10y ago
I'm not really stuck on STV, per se. Whatever proportional voting system the US chooses is fine by me. However, I think that if RCV is adopted, STV would be a natural extension to that. Plus, something like STV (or Dion's P3, which I actually like a bit more: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLeClCrfgQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLeClCrfgQ) is more likely to be adopted in the US, than say something like list-based voting, because Americans like to directly elect candidates from their districts. But I do think STV is still far preferable to winner-take-all FPTP, where the winner may only represent 35-40% of the voters in a given district, or even RCV, where the winner may represent 50%+1 to ~55% of the voters in a district, which is obviously better, but it's still less preferable to being 3-5 winners in a larger district and from 3-5 parties, whereas RCV would still mostly allow the two main parties to rule, with some exceptions in a few districts.