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Page has gone. Other people (buried in the comments) have posted the google cache of it, but here is it again for visibility: https://webcache.googleuserconten

by Jaruzel 10y ago

Page has gone. Other people (buried in the comments) have posted the google cache of it, but here is it again for visibility: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Vk2On-9psscJ:https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/mt790182.aspx https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Vk2On-... Maybe a Feature Request for HN, would be for a 'alt' link (that mods update) as part of the clickables under the post title?

jsingleton 10y ago
Strange, not sure if this is a bug or if MS published too early and retracted it? Edit: Thanks for the tip BTW. I had linked to this from a blog post, but have now removed the dead link (https://unop.uk/cross-platform-native-mobile-app-development-options https://unop.uk/cross-platform-native-mobile-app-development...).
- FLGMwt 10y ago
  Almost definitely the latter. It was tagged `Connect()` which is a MS conference happening later this week. It's probably going to be announced there.
  - jsingleton 10y ago
    Ah OK, it was probably under embargo and got posted early by mistake. I've been to Connect(); before in a time zone ahead of the US and nothing gets announced in the morning until the US wakes up and the embargo is lifted. Edit: FYI Connect(); is November 16th-18th starting 9:45am EST https://connectevent.microsoft.com https://connectevent.microsoft.com
robert_tweed 10y ago
Since popular HN submissions will often hug the site to death, a nice feature would be to automatically check the top 3 caches (archive.org, Coral, Google) immediately on submission, before the page goes live on HN. If the cache doesn't 404, the content could be quickly parsed to check it matches the submission and, if so, automatically include the cache link at the top of the submission page. This would save people manually posting these all the time and would, in many cases prevent the case where it becomes impossible to retrieve a cache, because nobody thought to access one before the slashdot effect occurs. Or, as in this case it seems, the article is pulled. It would also be nice if, 24-48 hours after submission, the only cache link remaining is archive.org (if they have the page), so the content is retained permanently as-submitted. It's rare, but sometimes a page will be updated so the comments no longer make sense. It would also be nice to include a link history in the same area (have requested this before), in case the original submission is changed by the mod. Usually when this happens the notice is the top comment, but sometimes it isn't and the discussion can be quite confusing as a result.
- bluetwo 10y ago
  Or, they could just have a live link AND a cache link and let people click what they want. A story with a cache link is likely to be upvoted more, encouraging people to do it.
  - robert_tweed 10y ago
    I wasn't suggesting only displaying the cache link, but rather providing a list of alternate links (if available - not all sites allow archival, or the cache might be stale) so they are always there at the top of the page. It's not exactly clear what is best netiquette regarding linking because larger sites that rely on advertising and can handle the traffic will welcome more clicks, but smaller sites would rather be cached. Better for HN not to encourage or discourage either, but give both options and let the readers decide.
dfinninger 10y ago
That webcache link is throwing a certificate error in Chrome for me. I can't go there due to HSTS. Here's an internet archive link that works for me: https://web.archive.org/web/20161114070745/https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/mt790182.aspx https://web.archive.org/web/20161114070745/https://msdn.micr...

by Jaruzel 10y ago

jsingleton 10y ago

Strange, not sure if this is a bug or if MS published too early and retracted it? Edit: Thanks for the tip BTW. I had linked to this from a blog post, but have now removed the dead link (https://unop.uk/cross-platform-native-mobile-app-development-options https://unop.uk/cross-platform-native-mobile-app-development...).

FLGMwt 10y ago
Almost definitely the latter. It was tagged `Connect()` which is a MS conference happening later this week. It's probably going to be announced there.
- jsingleton 10y ago
  Ah OK, it was probably under embargo and got posted early by mistake. I've been to Connect(); before in a time zone ahead of the US and nothing gets announced in the morning until the US wakes up and the embargo is lifted. Edit: FYI Connect(); is November 16th-18th starting 9:45am EST https://connectevent.microsoft.com https://connectevent.microsoft.com

robert_tweed 10y ago

Since popular HN submissions will often hug the site to death, a nice feature would be to automatically check the top 3 caches (archive.org, Coral, Google) immediately on submission, before the page goes live on HN. If the cache doesn't 404, the content could be quickly parsed to check it matches the submission and, if so, automatically include the cache link at the top of the submission page. This would save people manually posting these all the time and would, in many cases prevent the case where it becomes impossible to retrieve a cache, because nobody thought to access one before the slashdot effect occurs. Or, as in this case it seems, the article is pulled. It would also be nice if, 24-48 hours after submission, the only cache link remaining is archive.org (if they have the page), so the content is retained permanently as-submitted. It's rare, but sometimes a page will be updated so the comments no longer make sense. It would also be nice to include a link history in the same area (have requested this before), in case the original submission is changed by the mod. Usually when this happens the notice is the top comment, but sometimes it isn't and the discussion can be quite confusing as a result.

bluetwo 10y ago
Or, they could just have a live link AND a cache link and let people click what they want. A story with a cache link is likely to be upvoted more, encouraging people to do it.
- robert_tweed 10y ago
  I wasn't suggesting only displaying the cache link, but rather providing a list of alternate links (if available - not all sites allow archival, or the cache might be stale) so they are always there at the top of the page. It's not exactly clear what is best netiquette regarding linking because larger sites that rely on advertising and can handle the traffic will welcome more clicks, but smaller sites would rather be cached. Better for HN not to encourage or discourage either, but give both options and let the readers decide.

dfinninger 10y ago

That webcache link is throwing a certificate error in Chrome for me. I can't go there due to HSTS. Here's an internet archive link that works for me: https://web.archive.org/web/20161114070745/https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/mt790182.aspx https://web.archive.org/web/20161114070745/https://msdn.micr...