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> Who are we as programmers to decide what works best for our users? Where did I say that? You seem confused. And your argument regarding publishing and bank

> Who are we as programmers to decide what works best for our users? Where did I say that? You seem confused. And your argument regarding publishing and banking software is a strawman intended to shift the focus away from the real argument - that of choice. Forcing a change on my workflow can have very real effects on my ability to generate income. Why should anyone be ok with that?

adamlett 10y ago
> Who are we as programmers to decide what works best for our users? Where did I say that? You seem confused. I am saying that we as programmers force people to change their habits all the time. We do it to in the name of efficiency and progress. We eliminate workflows, we make entire jobs redundant. We of all people should be able to recognise that even though change is uncomfortable, it is inevitable, and mostly for the better. And your argument regarding publishing and banking software is a strawman intended to shift the focus away from the real argument - that of choice Please. Even if we pretend that you don't still have the option to use a third party keyboard, or buy one of the Macs that still have the f-keys, what about the people who would prefer the new touch bar to the f-keys? What about their choice? Forcing a change on my workflow can have very real effects on my ability to generate income I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. You are not going to feel a very real effect on your ability to generate an income simply by being forced to learn a different set of shortcut keys to step through a debugger.
coldtea 10y ago
>Forcing a change on my workflow can have very real effects on my ability to generate income. Why should anyone be ok with that? How is that different to any workflow used (and could be preferable) by millions of people that's deprecated due to new software programs? Not to mention software that entirely kills their job and their ability to generate income from doing it altogether?
- Touche 10y ago
  Well, in this case, it's not deprecated. It's deprecated by one computer manufacturer. There are more than enough other computer companies still willing to sell you a keyboard layout like the one you've been used to for the last 30+ years.

adamlett 10y ago

> Who are we as programmers to decide what works best for our users? Where did I say that? You seem confused. I am saying that we as programmers force people to change their habits all the time. We do it to in the name of efficiency and progress. We eliminate workflows, we make entire jobs redundant. We of all people should be able to recognise that even though change is uncomfortable, it is inevitable, and mostly for the better. And your argument regarding publishing and banking software is a strawman intended to shift the focus away from the real argument - that of choice Please. Even if we pretend that you don't still have the option to use a third party keyboard, or buy one of the Macs that still have the f-keys, what about the people who would prefer the new touch bar to the f-keys? What about their choice? Forcing a change on my workflow can have very real effects on my ability to generate income I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. You are not going to feel a very real effect on your ability to generate an income simply by being forced to learn a different set of shortcut keys to step through a debugger.

coldtea 10y ago

>Forcing a change on my workflow can have very real effects on my ability to generate income. Why should anyone be ok with that? How is that different to any workflow used (and could be preferable) by millions of people that's deprecated due to new software programs? Not to mention software that entirely kills their job and their ability to generate income from doing it altogether?

Touche 10y ago
Well, in this case, it's not deprecated. It's deprecated by one computer manufacturer. There are more than enough other computer companies still willing to sell you a keyboard layout like the one you've been used to for the last 30+ years.