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Parking shouldn't be free. If it's to entice customers at a store/shopping mall, they can be provided an hour of parking for every x dollars spent. Under-utili

by pcr0 10y ago

Parking shouldn't be free. If it's to entice customers at a store/shopping mall, they can be provided an hour of parking for every x dollars spent. Under-utilised parking spots should be leased or sold. (They sell for 80-300k where I live)

Keverw 10y ago
80-300K for 1 parking spot or a whole lot?
- PebblesHD 10y ago
  For reference, a single car space in Sydney sold for over $100k[0]... [0] - http://www.domain.com.au/news/kirribilli-car-spot-sells-for-120000-at-auction-20150613-ghn50z/ http://www.domain.com.au/news/kirribilli-car-spot-sells-for-...
  - Keverw 10y ago
    Oh wow. That is insane. I actually agree with houses including parking. Just seems like a common sense thing to do. Don't drive, use your garage for a startup, a gym or game room I guess.
  - bbcbasic 10y ago
    Its no good unless it's negatively geared.
  - pcr0 10y ago
    It's crazy, but that's actually the typical price of a single space in Hong Kong. A single space here sold for 620k last month.
    - pmiller2 10y ago
      According to http://blog.sfgate.com/ontheblock/2014/06/09/how-much-is-a-parking-spot-worth-in-s-f/ http://blog.sfgate.com/ontheblock/2014/06/09/how-much-is-a-p... depending on the location, a parking spot in SF can be worth anywhere from 25-100K. Anecdotally, this makes sense, since I've heard of parking spots costing $250-300/month to rent, which would be roughly the payment on a 30 year mortgage for 50-80K.
- pcr0 10y ago
  For 1 parking spot There was a spot that went for 620k earlier: http://www.scmp.com/property/hong-kong-china/article/2040679/whod-buy-car-park-space-hk48-million-someone-conduit-road http://www.scmp.com/property/hong-kong-china/article/2040679... It should be noted that car ownership is much lower here though.
employee8000 10y ago
Then poverty activists will vilify you for making it too expensive for poor people to shop at your store. There are so many factions that will attack you for doing something, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.
- allemagne 10y ago
  Is your point that both of these options have an equal or negligible effect on the poor, that one option is better but those damn "poverty activists" can't see which one that is, or that attempts to accommodate the poor shouldn't inconvenience businesses?
  - employee8000 10y ago
    My point is that you can force any argument you want to fit your own narrative. So out of thin air you can pull whatever you want and spin it so that it's some form of oppression of the rich on the poor. To blame parking spaces for raising prices is really pathetic and delusional. The problem is that different factions of poverty activists will pick differing things to be offended by, so one group may think that having free parking space is the rich oppressing the poor, but if the store changes it to paid parking, other activists will say that is oppressing the poor. However it's reported the same way so it makes it sound like all poverty activists are in unison but they're not. But the media doesn't care as long as the rich are being vilified.
kylec 10y ago
Given the choice between a mall with paid parking and a mall with free parking, I'm picking the mall with free parking. Even if there's some sort of validation system if you buy something, dealing with the whole ticketing system on entry and exit is annoying, and in the circumstances where I don't end up buying anything I have to deal with paying for the parking. It's much less of a hassle to just avoid all that.
- gohrt 10y ago
  How much farther will you drive (wasting time and gas) to avoid paid parking? It's the 21st century, paid parking can be a radio transmitter in your car or on your receipt.
  - tedunangst 10y ago
    People assess visible and invisible costs very differently. We are, by nature, often penny wise and pound foolish.
- TulliusCicero 10y ago
  > Given the choice between a mall with paid parking and a mall with free parking, I'm picking the mall with free parking. Sure, and if enough people agree with you, then businesses will choose to provide free parking of their own accord. But they shouldn't be required to, is the thing.
- hx87 10y ago
  What if the cost remained but the hassle went away, say with a pay-by-phone app with good UX and no fees tacked on top of it?

by pcr0 10y ago

Keverw 10y ago

80-300K for 1 parking spot or a whole lot?

PebblesHD 10y ago
For reference, a single car space in Sydney sold for over $100k[0]... [0] - http://www.domain.com.au/news/kirribilli-car-spot-sells-for-120000-at-auction-20150613-ghn50z/ http://www.domain.com.au/news/kirribilli-car-spot-sells-for-...
- Keverw 10y ago
  Oh wow. That is insane. I actually agree with houses including parking. Just seems like a common sense thing to do. Don't drive, use your garage for a startup, a gym or game room I guess.
- bbcbasic 10y ago
  Its no good unless it's negatively geared.
- pcr0 10y ago
  It's crazy, but that's actually the typical price of a single space in Hong Kong. A single space here sold for 620k last month.
  - pmiller2 10y ago
    According to http://blog.sfgate.com/ontheblock/2014/06/09/how-much-is-a-parking-spot-worth-in-s-f/ http://blog.sfgate.com/ontheblock/2014/06/09/how-much-is-a-p... depending on the location, a parking spot in SF can be worth anywhere from 25-100K. Anecdotally, this makes sense, since I've heard of parking spots costing $250-300/month to rent, which would be roughly the payment on a 30 year mortgage for 50-80K.
pcr0 10y ago
For 1 parking spot There was a spot that went for 620k earlier: http://www.scmp.com/property/hong-kong-china/article/2040679/whod-buy-car-park-space-hk48-million-someone-conduit-road http://www.scmp.com/property/hong-kong-china/article/2040679... It should be noted that car ownership is much lower here though.

employee8000 10y ago

Then poverty activists will vilify you for making it too expensive for poor people to shop at your store. There are so many factions that will attack you for doing something, you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.

allemagne 10y ago
Is your point that both of these options have an equal or negligible effect on the poor, that one option is better but those damn "poverty activists" can't see which one that is, or that attempts to accommodate the poor shouldn't inconvenience businesses?
- employee8000 10y ago
  My point is that you can force any argument you want to fit your own narrative. So out of thin air you can pull whatever you want and spin it so that it's some form of oppression of the rich on the poor. To blame parking spaces for raising prices is really pathetic and delusional. The problem is that different factions of poverty activists will pick differing things to be offended by, so one group may think that having free parking space is the rich oppressing the poor, but if the store changes it to paid parking, other activists will say that is oppressing the poor. However it's reported the same way so it makes it sound like all poverty activists are in unison but they're not. But the media doesn't care as long as the rich are being vilified.

kylec 10y ago

Given the choice between a mall with paid parking and a mall with free parking, I'm picking the mall with free parking. Even if there's some sort of validation system if you buy something, dealing with the whole ticketing system on entry and exit is annoying, and in the circumstances where I don't end up buying anything I have to deal with paying for the parking. It's much less of a hassle to just avoid all that.

gohrt 10y ago
How much farther will you drive (wasting time and gas) to avoid paid parking? It's the 21st century, paid parking can be a radio transmitter in your car or on your receipt.
- tedunangst 10y ago
  People assess visible and invisible costs very differently. We are, by nature, often penny wise and pound foolish.
TulliusCicero 10y ago
> Given the choice between a mall with paid parking and a mall with free parking, I'm picking the mall with free parking. Sure, and if enough people agree with you, then businesses will choose to provide free parking of their own accord. But they shouldn't be required to, is the thing.
hx87 10y ago
What if the cost remained but the hassle went away, say with a pay-by-phone app with good UX and no fees tacked on top of it?