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Well, nothing to do with hackers, but if this > Immediately they are yelled at by officers to strip naked, get ‘nuts to butts,’ and after being searched they a

Well, nothing to do with hackers, but if this > Immediately they are yelled at by officers to strip naked, get ‘nuts to butts,’ and after being searched they are kept naked for several minutes until they are issued some boxers... is true. Boah, how can everybody yell at the 'bad behaviour' of Trump and Clinton and look away here?

dimino 10y ago
I think we all pretty much know inmates are treated poorly, and while it is most certainly a tragedy, we are a) unable to meaningfully change their situations in the short or medium term and b) have more directly effecting issues that take priority. Why is it that all the successful companies in the private prison industry are terrible for the inmates? The client is the state, and the state doesn't care about costs associated with caring for inmates, right? Is there any way to turn that on its head? To... uh, "disrupt" some small part of this?
smcl 10y ago
I agree, it's pretty sick. I can see how this sort of behaviour can become normalised, hard to remove and in some cases part of what the public expect from the prison experience. Many people see prison as a place to be punished, so it's easy for them to rationalise any sort of demeaning or dehumanising treatment as part of the package - "well he/she should've thought about that before they broke the law..." etc In addition if you're a politician you're not going to win votes by campaigning for better conditions in prisons, now matter how you spin it.
- azernik 10y ago
  > In addition if you're a politician you're not going to win votes by campaigning for better conditions in prisons, now matter how you spin it. This is the root cause, and the political/policy effects are a symptom. There are places where this kind of treatment would be considered a scandal, but American culture doesn't agree.
- chappi42 10y ago
  Yes, but how is an inmate supposed to become 'better' in future if he (I assume this only happens to men) is treated this respectless? Maybe you are right with winning votes. But on the other hand I perceive the americans as quite human. And if voters (and politicians) want to reduce the likelyhood of inmates to slide back I think the conditions must be improved (if they really should be that bad - I somehow cannot believe this report, completly unthinkable in Europe (maybe we exagerate a bit towards the other end, don't know)
  - smcl 10y ago
    You should ask someone who believes these things. As I said I think it is kinda sick. Personally I believe the Norwegian model is preferable.
  - jacalata 10y ago
    Female prisoners are definitely strip searched and given prison outfits on arrival as well. http://www.ravishly.com/2014/12/11/ultimate-humiliation-what-its-be-prison-strip-searched http://www.ravishly.com/2014/12/11/ultimate-humiliation-what...
  - rootusrootus 10y ago
    I hate to come off as overly negative, but while Americans individually can seem like very nice people, that's not really our culture. Especially when it comes to prison -- very few people give much thought to rehabilitation. Prison is meant to be punishment, period. Anything that makes it more humane is perceived as making it like a vacation or something. This is why we don't put a stop to things like rape in prison, because we have completely dehumanized prisoners. We treat our pets better.
    - oxide 10y ago
      Which is why the inhumane treatment of prisoners by people like former Sheriff Joe Arpaio in AZ was not only tolerated but often condoned by the public. It's why he was re-elected, for being perceived as tough on crime. While they might not admit it, some people want to know that these criminals are being mistreated. They like the idea, somewhere deep down, of a criminal being forced to wear pink underwear and being fed spoiled food. It's twisted, wrong even. But it's very much American. Like apple pie, or baseball.

dimino 10y ago

I think we all pretty much know inmates are treated poorly, and while it is most certainly a tragedy, we are a) unable to meaningfully change their situations in the short or medium term and b) have more directly effecting issues that take priority. Why is it that all the successful companies in the private prison industry are terrible for the inmates? The client is the state, and the state doesn't care about costs associated with caring for inmates, right? Is there any way to turn that on its head? To... uh, "disrupt" some small part of this?

smcl 10y ago

I agree, it's pretty sick. I can see how this sort of behaviour can become normalised, hard to remove and in some cases part of what the public expect from the prison experience. Many people see prison as a place to be punished, so it's easy for them to rationalise any sort of demeaning or dehumanising treatment as part of the package - "well he/she should've thought about that before they broke the law..." etc In addition if you're a politician you're not going to win votes by campaigning for better conditions in prisons, now matter how you spin it.

azernik 10y ago
> In addition if you're a politician you're not going to win votes by campaigning for better conditions in prisons, now matter how you spin it. This is the root cause, and the political/policy effects are a symptom. There are places where this kind of treatment would be considered a scandal, but American culture doesn't agree.
chappi42 10y ago
Yes, but how is an inmate supposed to become 'better' in future if he (I assume this only happens to men) is treated this respectless? Maybe you are right with winning votes. But on the other hand I perceive the americans as quite human. And if voters (and politicians) want to reduce the likelyhood of inmates to slide back I think the conditions must be improved (if they really should be that bad - I somehow cannot believe this report, completly unthinkable in Europe (maybe we exagerate a bit towards the other end, don't know)
- smcl 10y ago
  You should ask someone who believes these things. As I said I think it is kinda sick. Personally I believe the Norwegian model is preferable.
- jacalata 10y ago
  Female prisoners are definitely strip searched and given prison outfits on arrival as well. http://www.ravishly.com/2014/12/11/ultimate-humiliation-what-its-be-prison-strip-searched http://www.ravishly.com/2014/12/11/ultimate-humiliation-what...
- rootusrootus 10y ago
  I hate to come off as overly negative, but while Americans individually can seem like very nice people, that's not really our culture. Especially when it comes to prison -- very few people give much thought to rehabilitation. Prison is meant to be punishment, period. Anything that makes it more humane is perceived as making it like a vacation or something. This is why we don't put a stop to things like rape in prison, because we have completely dehumanized prisoners. We treat our pets better.
  - oxide 10y ago
    Which is why the inhumane treatment of prisoners by people like former Sheriff Joe Arpaio in AZ was not only tolerated but often condoned by the public. It's why he was re-elected, for being perceived as tough on crime. While they might not admit it, some people want to know that these criminals are being mistreated. They like the idea, somewhere deep down, of a criminal being forced to wear pink underwear and being fed spoiled food. It's twisted, wrong even. But it's very much American. Like apple pie, or baseball.