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It is sad that so much effort is wasted on catching unlicensed drug dealers. Maybe looking for killers etc. is too difficult?

by elcct 10y ago

hga 10y ago
No, they generally do the latter, and generally well. One problem is there just aren't enough killers etc. anymore, crime rates are way down from their peaks not so many decades ago. But, somehow, where this has happened, it hasn't resulted in a reduction in the size of what I like to call the police-judicial complex. This book's underlying thesis is that too avoid unthinkable layoffs, the complex needs a steady diet of "the clueless" to keep running at it's current tempo: Arrest-Proof Yourself (https://www.amazon.com/Arrest-Proof-Yourself-Dale-C-Carson/dp/1613748043/ https://www.amazon.com/Arrest-Proof-Yourself-Dale-C-Carson/d...) I haven't read the 2nd edition I linked to, but I can't recommend the 1st highly enough in every respect, theory to practice.
- FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
  > No, they generally do the latter, and generally well. Minor quibble, but I don't find a 50% clearance rate on murders to be good. [0] I also don't put much faith in the accuracy of many (most) police departments numbers as they "Juke the Stats" [1] [0] http://laist.com/2015/01/26/almost_half_of_the_murders_in_the_c.php http://laist.com/2015/01/26/almost_half_of_the_murders_in_th... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH_6_8NOfwI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH_6_8NOfwI
  - hga 10y ago
    Stranger murders are particularly difficult cases to clear; here I'm talking about "real felonies" in general, and I'm also speaking very generally. E.g. Chicago's murder clearance rate for 2016 murders has plummeted to 21% (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-homicide-clearance-rate-20160909-story.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago...). Here in my above average crime rate (old mining town) corner of SW Missouri, the murder clearance rate is very high. However, the first relevant thing I found on Google was a State Police summary document for 2013 (https://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/SAC/pdf/Crime%20in%20Missouri%202013%20ver%205.pdf https://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/SAC/pdf/Crime%20in...), violent crime clearance rate was ~50%, murder ~64%. And Missouri overall might be a good proxy for the US in general, we have everything from two old urban centers to the most rural of areas. So, yeah, you could well be right in #0, and you're certainly right with #1.

It is sad that so much effort is wasted on catching unlicensed drug dealers. Maybe looking for killers etc. is too difficult?

by elcct 10y ago

It is sad that so much effort is wasted on catching unlicensed drug dealers. Maybe looking for killers etc. is too difficult?

hga 10y ago

No, they generally do the latter, and generally well. One problem is there just aren't enough killers etc. anymore, crime rates are way down from their peaks not so many decades ago. But, somehow, where this has happened, it hasn't resulted in a reduction in the size of what I like to call the police-judicial complex. This book's underlying thesis is that too avoid unthinkable layoffs, the complex needs a steady diet of "the clueless" to keep running at it's current tempo: Arrest-Proof Yourself (https://www.amazon.com/Arrest-Proof-Yourself-Dale-C-Carson/dp/1613748043/ https://www.amazon.com/Arrest-Proof-Yourself-Dale-C-Carson/d...) I haven't read the 2nd edition I linked to, but I can't recommend the 1st highly enough in every respect, theory to practice.

FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
> No, they generally do the latter, and generally well. Minor quibble, but I don't find a 50% clearance rate on murders to be good. [0] I also don't put much faith in the accuracy of many (most) police departments numbers as they "Juke the Stats" [1] [0] http://laist.com/2015/01/26/almost_half_of_the_murders_in_the_c.php http://laist.com/2015/01/26/almost_half_of_the_murders_in_th... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH_6_8NOfwI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH_6_8NOfwI
- hga 10y ago
  Stranger murders are particularly difficult cases to clear; here I'm talking about "real felonies" in general, and I'm also speaking very generally. E.g. Chicago's murder clearance rate for 2016 murders has plummeted to 21% (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-homicide-clearance-rate-20160909-story.html http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago...). Here in my above average crime rate (old mining town) corner of SW Missouri, the murder clearance rate is very high. However, the first relevant thing I found on Google was a State Police summary document for 2013 (https://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/SAC/pdf/Crime%20in%20Missouri%202013%20ver%205.pdf https://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/SAC/pdf/Crime%20in...), violent crime clearance rate was ~50%, murder ~64%. And Missouri overall might be a good proxy for the US in general, we have everything from two old urban centers to the most rural of areas. So, yeah, you could well be right in #0, and you're certainly right with #1.