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Isn't terrorism outside war a criminal act? Aren't human rights so called because all humans have them?

wruza 10y ago
Formally, yes. But let's remember why rights and laws exist at all. To regulate the society and reintegrate erroneous elements after correction. In practice, you cannot reintegrate extremist outsiders, because they are not even 'our elements'. (I'm not american, if that is important.) If we get human rights as an axiom, then yes, these are broken. But the picture is much wider now than just 'all humans are equal and same in rights', because enemy doesn't think so (also as an axiom). When two axioms clash, only bigger theory can resolve that. Am I wrong?
- lambertsimnel 10y ago
  As I understand it, human rights aren't entirely uniform. There is a right to liberty that doesn't extend to all convicted criminals. However, convicted criminals (even those convicted of serious crimes) should be (and often are) granted some rights. For one thing, they might be innocent or improperly convicted.
  - atsaloli 10y ago
    There are no exceptions to human rights as listed in the UN Declaration on Human Rights. http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/inde... However, article 29 says: (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. So you can be limited, legally, in the exercise of your rights, but you still have all the rights.
    - atsaloli 10y ago
      There is a simplified version of the UNDHR (easily readable and intended for young people) at http://www.youthforhumanrights.org/what-are-human-rights/universal-declaration-of-human-rights/articles-1-15.html http://www.youthforhumanrights.org/what-are-human-rights/uni... Youth for Human Rights International is a non-profit organization whose purpose is to educate the young on human rights and activate supporters and promoters and defenders of human rights.

wruza 10y ago

Formally, yes. But let's remember why rights and laws exist at all. To regulate the society and reintegrate erroneous elements after correction. In practice, you cannot reintegrate extremist outsiders, because they are not even 'our elements'. (I'm not american, if that is important.) If we get human rights as an axiom, then yes, these are broken. But the picture is much wider now than just 'all humans are equal and same in rights', because enemy doesn't think so (also as an axiom). When two axioms clash, only bigger theory can resolve that. Am I wrong?

lambertsimnel 10y ago
As I understand it, human rights aren't entirely uniform. There is a right to liberty that doesn't extend to all convicted criminals. However, convicted criminals (even those convicted of serious crimes) should be (and often are) granted some rights. For one thing, they might be innocent or improperly convicted.
- atsaloli 10y ago
  There are no exceptions to human rights as listed in the UN Declaration on Human Rights. http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/index.html http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/inde... However, article 29 says: (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. So you can be limited, legally, in the exercise of your rights, but you still have all the rights.
  - atsaloli 10y ago
    There is a simplified version of the UNDHR (easily readable and intended for young people) at http://www.youthforhumanrights.org/what-are-human-rights/universal-declaration-of-human-rights/articles-1-15.html http://www.youthforhumanrights.org/what-are-human-rights/uni... Youth for Human Rights International is a non-profit organization whose purpose is to educate the young on human rights and activate supporters and promoters and defenders of human rights.