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Thiel brings the mass surveillance, Trump adds the hate. Explosive mix, but again, this danger was obvious a couple of decades ago.

by benevol 10y ago

FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
Well, now not only is he the defacto head of the NSA, he has a direct line to the President, AND he'll most likely be Trump's go to guy on policies towards the Silicon Valley. I know this has been coming for a while, but without the Trump win, he's not nearly as powerful.
- nyolfen 10y ago
  >Well, now not only is he the defacto head of the NSA not a fan of thiel, but this is not even close to true
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- StreamBright 10y ago
  This is greatly exaggerated. You are talking about Peter Thiel who is one of the best chess players of the country. He has strategical thinking and strong business focus, but he has almost nothing to do with the NSA. Palantir's clients are almost all of the agencies of the US working in the national security space not only NSA. If this is what you meant by that.
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mythrwy 10y ago
"Trump adds the hate." Can we PLEASE stop with that nonsense? You might not agree. It doesn't mean it's "hate". The election is over. Get over it. Please.
- semi-extrinsic 10y ago
  Well, several things that Trump has said in public during his presidential campaign can arguably be called "hate speech". The UK legal definition is """ A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if a) he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or (b) having regard to all the circumstances, racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby. """ Would you seriously suggest that when Trump says """ When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. """ that this is does not fit the above definition of hate speech?
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  - mythrwy 10y ago
    Very arguably. "hate speech" as opposed to "hate". Please just stop with the campaign sound bite nonsense. I'm weary of it.
  - SixSigma 10y ago
    I guess truth is hateful after all
  - Houshalter 10y ago
    Who cares what the UK legal definition is? That definition is pretty arbitrary, and could include a lot of things that the average person wouldn't consider "hateful". The UK in particular has notoriously strict limits on freedom of speech that are incredibly antithetical to the US. I don't really agree with the quote. But I think it's perfectly defensible. For starters, "illegal immigrant" isn't a race. Trump never said anything about hispanics in general, or people that were born in the US. I believe in context the quote didn't apply to legal immigrants either. It's really disturbing to me that this climate has become so polarized, that anyone that says something you disagree with is "hate speech". Whether or not illegal immigration actually increases crime, it's a perfectly debatable issue. I think it's probably not true, but I can certainly understand why people would be concerned about it. I wouldn't consider those people racists.

Thiel brings the mass surveillance, Trump adds the hate. Explosive mix, but again, this danger was obvious a couple of decades ago.

by benevol 10y ago

Thiel brings the mass surveillance, Trump adds the hate. Explosive mix, but again, this danger was obvious a couple of decades ago.

FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago

Well, now not only is he the defacto head of the NSA, he has a direct line to the President, AND he'll most likely be Trump's go to guy on policies towards the Silicon Valley. I know this has been coming for a while, but without the Trump win, he's not nearly as powerful.

nyolfen 10y ago
>Well, now not only is he the defacto head of the NSA not a fan of thiel, but this is not even close to true
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StreamBright 10y ago
This is greatly exaggerated. You are talking about Peter Thiel who is one of the best chess players of the country. He has strategical thinking and strong business focus, but he has almost nothing to do with the NSA. Palantir's clients are almost all of the agencies of the US working in the national security space not only NSA. If this is what you meant by that.
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mythrwy 10y ago

"Trump adds the hate." Can we PLEASE stop with that nonsense? You might not agree. It doesn't mean it's "hate". The election is over. Get over it. Please.

semi-extrinsic 10y ago
Well, several things that Trump has said in public during his presidential campaign can arguably be called "hate speech". The UK legal definition is """ A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if a) he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or (b) having regard to all the circumstances, racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby. """ Would you seriously suggest that when Trump says """ When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. """ that this is does not fit the above definition of hate speech?
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- mythrwy 10y ago
  Very arguably. "hate speech" as opposed to "hate". Please just stop with the campaign sound bite nonsense. I'm weary of it.
- SixSigma 10y ago
  I guess truth is hateful after all
- Houshalter 10y ago
  Who cares what the UK legal definition is? That definition is pretty arbitrary, and could include a lot of things that the average person wouldn't consider "hateful". The UK in particular has notoriously strict limits on freedom of speech that are incredibly antithetical to the US. I don't really agree with the quote. But I think it's perfectly defensible. For starters, "illegal immigrant" isn't a race. Trump never said anything about hispanics in general, or people that were born in the US. I believe in context the quote didn't apply to legal immigrants either. It's really disturbing to me that this climate has become so polarized, that anyone that says something you disagree with is "hate speech". Whether or not illegal immigration actually increases crime, it's a perfectly debatable issue. I think it's probably not true, but I can certainly understand why people would be concerned about it. I wouldn't consider those people racists.