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That's an excellent example that you seem to have been able to access quite readily - impressive, +1. And I do agree that you can't just look at P/E ratio. But

by kadavy 17y ago

That's an excellent example that you seem to have been able to access quite readily - impressive, +1. And I do agree that you can't just look at P/E ratio. But the key difference is ...based on one breakthrough tech product... Apple has a much more firm footing in people's digital lives - and more brand loyalty - than Motorola could have ever hoped to have.

nostrademons 17y ago
Are they really all that dominant, though? As I see it, they have 3 major product lines: the Macintosh, the iPod, and the iPhone (perhaps the iPad will join that soon). They have massive brand loyalty among a certain segment of the population, but a good number of people don't give a rats ass about them. I'm typing this on a Macbook Pro, but I honestly regret that purchase (I wish I'd gotten a System76 Pangolin instead). I've got a iPod Nano sitting unopened in a box, an unused gift from my employer. I couldn't live without my N1, but have never felt the need for an iPhone.
- mattyb 16y ago
  Why do you wish you went with the System76 model (I'm considering both right now)?
  - nostrademons 16y ago
    I found that pretty much the only applications I use on the Mac are Terminal, Macvim, Chrome, VLC, and BitTorrent, all of which are just as good or better on Linux. Plus, I like to play around with advanced programming languages and other command-line only programs, and usually the apt-get packages are a bit stabler and more problem-free than the MacPorts ones. I'm perfectly familiar with Ubuntu - I use it at work - so the usability/eye-candy benefits of a Mac don't apply to me. In fact, I found it harder to get used to and learn a whole new set of keyboard shortcuts, because I'm so used to Linux. If I'm just going to use it like a Linux machine, I might as well pay half the price and get a real Linux machine. The Mac does have some nice points. Two-finger scroll is great, as is the magnetic attachment for the power cord (I can't count the number of times I've tripped over that). The battery life is significantly better. I can get more & better games for the Mac than for Linux. But the screen on the Pangolin is better, and for half the price, I think I'd end up liking that more than all the little fit & finish on the Mac. Plus, the Mac had a firmware bug when I bought it (thankfully been fixed since) that randomly would lock up the computer for 30 seconds at a time. Not impressed, Apple.

by kadavy 17y ago

nostrademons 17y ago

Are they really all that dominant, though? As I see it, they have 3 major product lines: the Macintosh, the iPod, and the iPhone (perhaps the iPad will join that soon). They have massive brand loyalty among a certain segment of the population, but a good number of people don't give a rats ass about them. I'm typing this on a Macbook Pro, but I honestly regret that purchase (I wish I'd gotten a System76 Pangolin instead). I've got a iPod Nano sitting unopened in a box, an unused gift from my employer. I couldn't live without my N1, but have never felt the need for an iPhone.

mattyb 16y ago
Why do you wish you went with the System76 model (I'm considering both right now)?
- nostrademons 16y ago
  I found that pretty much the only applications I use on the Mac are Terminal, Macvim, Chrome, VLC, and BitTorrent, all of which are just as good or better on Linux. Plus, I like to play around with advanced programming languages and other command-line only programs, and usually the apt-get packages are a bit stabler and more problem-free than the MacPorts ones. I'm perfectly familiar with Ubuntu - I use it at work - so the usability/eye-candy benefits of a Mac don't apply to me. In fact, I found it harder to get used to and learn a whole new set of keyboard shortcuts, because I'm so used to Linux. If I'm just going to use it like a Linux machine, I might as well pay half the price and get a real Linux machine. The Mac does have some nice points. Two-finger scroll is great, as is the magnetic attachment for the power cord (I can't count the number of times I've tripped over that). The battery life is significantly better. I can get more & better games for the Mac than for Linux. But the screen on the Pangolin is better, and for half the price, I think I'd end up liking that more than all the little fit & finish on the Mac. Plus, the Mac had a firmware bug when I bought it (thankfully been fixed since) that randomly would lock up the computer for 30 seconds at a time. Not impressed, Apple.