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I think the majority doesn't think of this at all. And for many of us, it was never acceptable for Apple, Google, MS, the telecoms, or IoT products to do this e

I think the majority doesn't think of this at all. And for many of us, it was never acceptable for Apple, Google, MS, the telecoms, or IoT products to do this either. That's why many of us use FOSS and encrypt everything and use VPNs to mitigate these companies' access to our data. You, like many others in this thread, are trying to point out hypocrisy and ideological inconsistencies where there are none, as some sort of "gotcha" so you can justify the belief that your political opponents are somehow worse than you are.

tunap 10y ago
I apologize, my post was out-of-line and misdirected. I too participate in the FOSS community, recently upgraded my N900 to a N4 w/ CM rom and retired from moonlighting as a PC tech 2 years back b/c Apple's geniuses will fix it for free & I could no longer protect my Windows customers' interests from data thieves(IMO) like Apple, Google, every SaaS under the sun... Windows was fairly easy to harden & idiot-proof until MS jumped on the spyware wagon w/ a vengence... cannot fix what is broken at the core. To explain my chagrin, the problem I have witnessed over the last 15 years is there are huge inconsistencies in peoples' daily choices and the providers know all the right buttons to push to increase adoption and use highly specialized marketing, over-verbose ToS's and NDA's to evade scrutiny. Lobbyists and "Privacy Committes" make new laws to make previously illegal practices now legal.Your willingness to curtail noe or be less concerned based on whom is currently collecting is a perfect example(IMO) of rationalizing choices. Every(sic) service provider now treats data collection as a part of any standard business model. Ever read Gmail's ToS? As far as I have seen, it is the only ToS that states plainly in the first paragraphs exactly what they are doing. And yet, informed people rationalize that choice for a variety of reasons.

tunap 10y ago

I apologize, my post was out-of-line and misdirected. I too participate in the FOSS community, recently upgraded my N900 to a N4 w/ CM rom and retired from moonlighting as a PC tech 2 years back b/c Apple's geniuses will fix it for free & I could no longer protect my Windows customers' interests from data thieves(IMO) like Apple, Google, every SaaS under the sun... Windows was fairly easy to harden & idiot-proof until MS jumped on the spyware wagon w/ a vengence... cannot fix what is broken at the core. To explain my chagrin, the problem I have witnessed over the last 15 years is there are huge inconsistencies in peoples' daily choices and the providers know all the right buttons to push to increase adoption and use highly specialized marketing, over-verbose ToS's and NDA's to evade scrutiny. Lobbyists and "Privacy Committes" make new laws to make previously illegal practices now legal.Your willingness to curtail noe or be less concerned based on whom is currently collecting is a perfect example(IMO) of rationalizing choices. Every(sic) service provider now treats data collection as a part of any standard business model. Ever read Gmail's ToS? As far as I have seen, it is the only ToS that states plainly in the first paragraphs exactly what they are doing. And yet, informed people rationalize that choice for a variety of reasons.