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Key points (for the TL;DR): - The White Working Class (WWC) liked Trump - Manly dignity is a big deal for most men. Trump promises to deliver it. - Brooking

by Tempest1981 10y ago

Key points (for the TL;DR): - The White Working Class (WWC) liked Trump - Manly dignity is a big deal for most men. Trump promises to deliver it. - Brookings Institution argues that men must resign themselves to working in “pink collar jobs” — those known by the acronym HEAL, for health, education, administration and literacy. Not manly - WWC women voted for Trump over Clinton by a whopping 28-point margin — 62% to 34%. - WWC men want stable, full-time jobs (not minimum wage) that deliver a solid middle-class life to the 75% of Americans who don’t have a college degree. Trump promises that. - Obamacare delivered health care to 20 million people. WWC see it as just another program that taxed the middle class to help the poor - Class conflict now closely tracks the urban-rural divide. In the huge red plains between the thin blue coasts, shockingly high numbers of working-class men are unemployed or on disability, fueling opioid use - Free-trade deals bring net positive GDP gains, but overlook the blue-collar workers who lost work as jobs left for Mexico or Vietnam - Massive funding is needed for community college programs linked with local businesses to train workers for well-paying new economy jobs. Clinton mentioned this but didn't stress it - Don't write off WWC anger as nothing more than racism. It's more class cluelessness - If we don’t take steps to bridge the class culture gap, when Trump proves unable to bring steel back to Youngstown, Ohio, the consequences could turn dangerous.

eli_gottlieb 10y ago
>- Manly dignity is a big deal for most men. Trump promises to deliver it. And if robots do the "manly" work?
ZeroGravitas 10y ago
Exit polls suggest that those worried about economic topics voted Clinton. Those that worried about immigration and terrorism voted Trump. It doesn't seem to be talked about much, but something that stuck out for me in the election coverage was that Islam was the connecting thread eg Clinton got donations from Saudi Arabia which is suspect because they are Islamic, Clinton wants to support Syrian refugees which is bad because they're Islamic, Clinton has an aide called Huma Abedin which is bad because Islam and so on. Lots of people say Obama got elected so America can't be racist, but even then the big slur thrown at him was that he was a secret Muslim, working in concert with ISIS to undermine the USA. I wouldn't rule out this as a decisive factor. Clinton (and Bernie for that matter) wouldn't stoop to the levels required to benefit from this xenophobia. Trump lied about banning Muslims completely (which presumably even he knows would be ridiculous and unworkable).
- bjourne 10y ago
  > Exit polls suggest that those worried about economic topics voted Clinton. Those that worried about immigration and terrorism voted Trump. A lot of people worried about immigration are so because of the "they take our jobs" angle. So it goes hand in hand.
  - mancerayder 10y ago
    Yes, absolutely. I think as well that the immigration debate has more than one angle, which have (in my opinion) these most vocal arguments: a) Immigrants are bad people and they cause crime and change our culture. Bad bleeding-heart liberal ideas that I disagree with are bringing in people with different norms who don't care about my culture or country. Those people should just go back to where they came from, I don't like 'em one bit. b) Immigration should be re-evaluated, after all, shouldn't America be helping our own? Also, a lot of these people are working under the table, and when they go the hospital it's my taxes that pay for it. I can't help but think those liberal elites are screwing over the little guy. They are so out of touch. For example, look at how Obama wants to bring in even more. And those free trade agreements smell mighty corrupt to me - just look at those jobs we sent to Mexico. The Democrats focused on 'debating' or "combating" A. B would've been the right thing to address, to respond to, with an actionable platform. I feel a parallel is happening in Europe today, a similar disconnect.

eli_gottlieb 10y ago

>- Manly dignity is a big deal for most men. Trump promises to deliver it. And if robots do the "manly" work?

ZeroGravitas 10y ago

Exit polls suggest that those worried about economic topics voted Clinton. Those that worried about immigration and terrorism voted Trump. It doesn't seem to be talked about much, but something that stuck out for me in the election coverage was that Islam was the connecting thread eg Clinton got donations from Saudi Arabia which is suspect because they are Islamic, Clinton wants to support Syrian refugees which is bad because they're Islamic, Clinton has an aide called Huma Abedin which is bad because Islam and so on. Lots of people say Obama got elected so America can't be racist, but even then the big slur thrown at him was that he was a secret Muslim, working in concert with ISIS to undermine the USA. I wouldn't rule out this as a decisive factor. Clinton (and Bernie for that matter) wouldn't stoop to the levels required to benefit from this xenophobia. Trump lied about banning Muslims completely (which presumably even he knows would be ridiculous and unworkable).

bjourne 10y ago
> Exit polls suggest that those worried about economic topics voted Clinton. Those that worried about immigration and terrorism voted Trump. A lot of people worried about immigration are so because of the "they take our jobs" angle. So it goes hand in hand.
- mancerayder 10y ago
  Yes, absolutely. I think as well that the immigration debate has more than one angle, which have (in my opinion) these most vocal arguments: a) Immigrants are bad people and they cause crime and change our culture. Bad bleeding-heart liberal ideas that I disagree with are bringing in people with different norms who don't care about my culture or country. Those people should just go back to where they came from, I don't like 'em one bit. b) Immigration should be re-evaluated, after all, shouldn't America be helping our own? Also, a lot of these people are working under the table, and when they go the hospital it's my taxes that pay for it. I can't help but think those liberal elites are screwing over the little guy. They are so out of touch. For example, look at how Obama wants to bring in even more. And those free trade agreements smell mighty corrupt to me - just look at those jobs we sent to Mexico. The Democrats focused on 'debating' or "combating" A. B would've been the right thing to address, to respond to, with an actionable platform. I feel a parallel is happening in Europe today, a similar disconnect.