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It's a classic case of environmentalist authoritarianism backed up by emotional arguments from bored politicians. That's why I oppose green parties so harshly d
by Kenji 10y ago
It's a classic case of environmentalist authoritarianism backed up by emotional arguments from bored politicians. That's why I oppose green parties so harshly despite caring a lot about nature and environment.
- exodust 10y agoThrowaway mentality on a global scale is not good for the environment. Re-use and recycle is good for the environment. Would a "see spot" diagram help? The conclusions don't mention that banning plastic bags is meant to be one contribution towards fixing our throwaway culture, not the silver bullet that saves us all. Pointing your finger at some report and rejoicing "see, we can keep throwing plastic bags by the millions onto landfill, the PDF says we can!" is not "caring about nature". Opting for products with less packaging is a good thing to do for the environment. Maybe buy more things in bulk. Avoid those stupid little individual tubs of yoghurt. Avoid 600ml bottles of water. Avoid that 250ml latte cup... I'm sure you can think of others if you try.
- callinyouin 10y agoSorry, but I don't buy that you care "a lot about nature and the environment" if you oppose environmentalism in general. We do a lot as human beings to harm the environment, and climate scientists generally agree there is a point of no return that we're heading towards. I'd cite a source or two, but we all know there are plenty of sources and by now you're either going to believe the overwhelming evidence or you're going to live in denial. Even if that were not the case, pollution in general is and has been visibly harmful to a number of ecosystems - oil spills, smog, etc. have an obvious negative impact on humans and animals alike. If you cared about the environment as you claim you do you would not oppose efforts to lessen the damage we do to it.
- Kenji 10y agoIf you cared about the environment as you claim you do you would not oppose efforts to lessen the damage we do to it. I don't oppose efforts to lessen the damage. I oppose efforts that do not change the damage in any way, shape or form, or efforts that impose large costs at little or no benefit at all.
- exodust 10y agoSingle-use bags take up to 1,000 years to degrade in landfill. According to The Wall Street Journal, the U.S. goes through 100 billion plastic shopping bags annually. There's your "way, shape and form".
- JoeAltmaier 10y agoEssentially nothing degrades in a landfill. Not even food waste. If we don't use plastic shopping bags, we'll use something else that costs more to manufacture. Has more manufacturing impact on the environment. Paper, fabric etc. They can be reused, but it would take thousands of reuses to total less environmental damage than the extremely efficient plastic bag. Its conceivable that plastic bags are the minimum impact to the environment, considering all the options.
- douche 10y agoI'm not sure that opposing green parties for their bizarre beliefs is necessarily opposing environmentalism. Green opposition to nuclear power has been a disaster for the environment, to take one example.