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Fascism was all over the country a long time before recent events. I'm not a Trump supporter but assuming that this problem is something that should be of peopl

Fascism was all over the country a long time before recent events. I'm not a Trump supporter but assuming that this problem is something that should be of people's concern only now is just childish.

idlewords 10y ago
I've seen this comment in various guises over the last few days, and I struggle to understand what it's intended to accomplish. If you think the problem is old news, that doesn't make it any less urgent to fix. It's like seeing firefighters arrive and tell them not to bother, because the house started burning hours ago.
- dontelmewhatodo 10y ago
  It's all about how do you address the issue and how this very same issue would be handled if the other party took the presidency. I'm all in when it comes to privacy and I always agreed with encryption and everything people are suggesting to do now. It is just a pain to listen to how this is being advertised now. And before anyone starts complaining: 1. I'm not from the US and I don't live in the US 2. I'm against Trump and against Hillary
  - idlewords 10y ago
    I share your frustration, but the fact that people have waited too long makes it more urgent to get the work done now. Antagonizing the recently convinced doesn't help that goal.
    - dontelmewhatodo 10y ago
      Yes you are right.
- dictum 10y ago
  It is a good a idea to reduce the damage surface now. Conversely, that damage surface would be significantly smaller, and less of it would remain now that it can only be shut down in haste, had it been reduced back when the administration in charge was one that gave SV warm fuzzies.
  - diyorgasms 10y ago
    This is absolutely true, but let us remember that the creepiest pervasive surveillance entity in SV is probably Palantir. I am sure that Obama did not give Peter Thiel warm fuzzies (based on his position on the Trump transition team) and yet they showed no sign of abatement during Obama's presidency. I think it is foolish to think all of SV are allies of the people.
    - dictum 10y ago
      Thought experiment: who/what is the 2016 equivalent of circa-2013 Peter Thiel considering a candidate to endorse in the next election?
      - diyorgasms 10y ago
        I think this might have been a hypothetical question on your part, but one name does stand out to me, and that's Tim Cook. Consider that Trump was openly hostile toward Apple on the campaign trail, and that Tim Cook himself is gay, and the GOP establishment wants to roll back protections for LGBT+ individuals. And consider Apple's vast war chest, which could really make a difference assuming Citizens United isn't overturned.
        mzw_mzw 10y ago
        Wait, so unaccountable billionaires pouring money into politics is now a good thing all of a sudden? Between this and the 180 on surveillance I am getting serious whiplash.
        10y ago
- njharman 10y ago
  It's intended to make people wake the fuck up and deal with problem(s) (next time) before it is too late, like it is now for this issue. The saying goes "they went after group 'A' I didn't like, then after group 'B', now they're after me and I care. Well maybe if you 'A', and 'B' worked together against your common enemy instead of being selfish, short-sighted and stupid you wouldn't be fucked right now" We are idiots and deserve everything that happens next 4 years.
- mzw_mzw 10y ago
  Obama supporters were all for mass surveillance when it was their guy doing it. So it's more like the firefighters showed up hours ago and you told them not to put out the fire because it was only burning someone else's room.
  - dllthomas 10y ago
    > Obama supporters were all for mass surveillance when it was their guy doing it. Not many of the Obama supporters I know. Of course they were more willing to forgive it! That's going to be the case. Partly because humans don't like admitting they were wrong. Partly because it's legitimate to trade off issues against each other. Partly because we're introducing selection bias - if it's enough to turn you off Obama entirely, you're not an "Obama supporter". But there's miles between overly generous forgiveness and support. It was commonly named as an area where they were disappointed in Obama.
    - mzw_mzw 10y ago
      And yet that disappointment didn't translate into voting for other candidates -- and I'm not talking about voting for Romney or Trump, there were plenty of other options the whole time -- so in the end it is of no value.
      - r00fus 10y ago
        There are exactly 2 choices that are possible for any first-past-the-post voting system. Change that (which I support) and we can talk 3rd parties. I supported Sanders 2016 primary and his 2012 primary threat to Obama, after having voted for Obama in 2008. Once the options became Obama (and now Clinton), I voted for those simply because the alternative means more coal, less regulations, and more religious right.
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        mzw_mzw 10y ago
revscat 10y ago
People -- many, many people --- have been concerned about this for a very long time. The concerns are more urgent now, but they are far from new. But even if what you say were true, it invalidates nothing.
beedogs 10y ago
Yeah. We should just leave everything intact. Great idea.
throwwit 10y ago
The word might be hypocracy... Hypocracy of power mongering.
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Fascism was all over the country a long time before recent events. I'm not a Trump supporter but assuming that this problem is something that should be of people's concern only now is just childish.

idlewords 10y ago

I've seen this comment in various guises over the last few days, and I struggle to understand what it's intended to accomplish. If you think the problem is old news, that doesn't make it any less urgent to fix. It's like seeing firefighters arrive and tell them not to bother, because the house started burning hours ago.

dontelmewhatodo 10y ago
It's all about how do you address the issue and how this very same issue would be handled if the other party took the presidency. I'm all in when it comes to privacy and I always agreed with encryption and everything people are suggesting to do now. It is just a pain to listen to how this is being advertised now. And before anyone starts complaining: 1. I'm not from the US and I don't live in the US 2. I'm against Trump and against Hillary
- idlewords 10y ago
  I share your frustration, but the fact that people have waited too long makes it more urgent to get the work done now. Antagonizing the recently convinced doesn't help that goal.
  - dontelmewhatodo 10y ago
    Yes you are right.
dictum 10y ago
It is a good a idea to reduce the damage surface now. Conversely, that damage surface would be significantly smaller, and less of it would remain now that it can only be shut down in haste, had it been reduced back when the administration in charge was one that gave SV warm fuzzies.
- diyorgasms 10y ago
  This is absolutely true, but let us remember that the creepiest pervasive surveillance entity in SV is probably Palantir. I am sure that Obama did not give Peter Thiel warm fuzzies (based on his position on the Trump transition team) and yet they showed no sign of abatement during Obama's presidency. I think it is foolish to think all of SV are allies of the people.
  - dictum 10y ago
    Thought experiment: who/what is the 2016 equivalent of circa-2013 Peter Thiel considering a candidate to endorse in the next election?
    - diyorgasms 10y ago
      I think this might have been a hypothetical question on your part, but one name does stand out to me, and that's Tim Cook. Consider that Trump was openly hostile toward Apple on the campaign trail, and that Tim Cook himself is gay, and the GOP establishment wants to roll back protections for LGBT+ individuals. And consider Apple's vast war chest, which could really make a difference assuming Citizens United isn't overturned.
      - mzw_mzw 10y ago
        Wait, so unaccountable billionaires pouring money into politics is now a good thing all of a sudden? Between this and the 180 on surveillance I am getting serious whiplash.
        10y ago
njharman 10y ago
It's intended to make people wake the fuck up and deal with problem(s) (next time) before it is too late, like it is now for this issue. The saying goes "they went after group 'A' I didn't like, then after group 'B', now they're after me and I care. Well maybe if you 'A', and 'B' worked together against your common enemy instead of being selfish, short-sighted and stupid you wouldn't be fucked right now" We are idiots and deserve everything that happens next 4 years.
mzw_mzw 10y ago
Obama supporters were all for mass surveillance when it was their guy doing it. So it's more like the firefighters showed up hours ago and you told them not to put out the fire because it was only burning someone else's room.
- dllthomas 10y ago
  > Obama supporters were all for mass surveillance when it was their guy doing it. Not many of the Obama supporters I know. Of course they were more willing to forgive it! That's going to be the case. Partly because humans don't like admitting they were wrong. Partly because it's legitimate to trade off issues against each other. Partly because we're introducing selection bias - if it's enough to turn you off Obama entirely, you're not an "Obama supporter". But there's miles between overly generous forgiveness and support. It was commonly named as an area where they were disappointed in Obama.
  - mzw_mzw 10y ago
    And yet that disappointment didn't translate into voting for other candidates -- and I'm not talking about voting for Romney or Trump, there were plenty of other options the whole time -- so in the end it is of no value.
    - r00fus 10y ago
      There are exactly 2 choices that are possible for any first-past-the-post voting system. Change that (which I support) and we can talk 3rd parties. I supported Sanders 2016 primary and his 2012 primary threat to Obama, after having voted for Obama in 2008. Once the options became Obama (and now Clinton), I voted for those simply because the alternative means more coal, less regulations, and more religious right.
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      - mzw_mzw 10y ago

revscat 10y ago

People -- many, many people --- have been concerned about this for a very long time. The concerns are more urgent now, but they are far from new. But even if what you say were true, it invalidates nothing.

beedogs 10y ago

Yeah. We should just leave everything intact. Great idea.

throwwit 10y ago

The word might be hypocracy... Hypocracy of power mongering.

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