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> very strongly influenced by the “question authority” ethos of 1960s and ’70s counterculture Sounds like he's really a shining example of those hippie ideals.

by alexc05 10y ago

> very strongly influenced by the “question authority” ethos of 1960s and ’70s counterculture Sounds like he's really a shining example of those hippie ideals. Strike back at "the man" and his regulations on behalf of those poor oppressed oil, gas and, coal corporations. Pardon my language here, since I think of hacker news as a place for intelligent and respectful discussion, but, fuck

finid 10y ago
Don't worry. That 4-letter word in not a rarity on HN.
KirinDave 10y ago
The way they sell this is by appealing directly to the people losing what amounted to very high paying but relatively unskilled jobs. Coal mining, working on an oil platform, working in a refinery, etc. That's why people believe this rhetoric even though it seems absurd on its face. They see the faces of people who have lost jobs that is largely obscured from other parts of America because it's of the geographic distribution of signed paychecks to the American middle and lower class. To defeat that rhetoric over the next 2 years, liberals and socialists need to find a story for how they're going to solve that problem and preserve a livelihood for folks suffering. And to be honest, that's a wee bit frustrating because as a whole millennials are already tackling these economic challenges without the safety net of a massive lobby, while being told they're lazy and valueless, and often with crippling student debt for a poorly conducted degree. But a vote is a vote, and not every citizen can or will vote against direct self-interest on moral grounds.
- diyorgasms 10y ago
  Frankly, we had the candidate to address this. Taxpayer-funded education would have allowed these otherwise useless people to gain useful skills. I fear from now until the world becomes uninhabitable through climate change that these useless people will remain useless and keep voting in fascists and ultranationalists that will quite literally destroy the planet out of spite for the "elite" who were lucky and skilled enough to be useful to society.
  - KirinDave 10y ago
    Quite frankly, neither party has truly addressed public reeducation in a way that is economically viable for adults losing their jobs. We aren't even providing it to young people who ostensibly need it. Until we have a way to offer adult education in a way that is financially viable to individuals AND preserves their dignity and aligns with American distaste for pure subsidy, this issue will be nothing but a token talking point for both parties.

by alexc05 10y ago

finid 10y ago

Don't worry. That 4-letter word in not a rarity on HN.

KirinDave 10y ago

The way they sell this is by appealing directly to the people losing what amounted to very high paying but relatively unskilled jobs. Coal mining, working on an oil platform, working in a refinery, etc. That's why people believe this rhetoric even though it seems absurd on its face. They see the faces of people who have lost jobs that is largely obscured from other parts of America because it's of the geographic distribution of signed paychecks to the American middle and lower class. To defeat that rhetoric over the next 2 years, liberals and socialists need to find a story for how they're going to solve that problem and preserve a livelihood for folks suffering. And to be honest, that's a wee bit frustrating because as a whole millennials are already tackling these economic challenges without the safety net of a massive lobby, while being told they're lazy and valueless, and often with crippling student debt for a poorly conducted degree. But a vote is a vote, and not every citizen can or will vote against direct self-interest on moral grounds.

diyorgasms 10y ago
Frankly, we had the candidate to address this. Taxpayer-funded education would have allowed these otherwise useless people to gain useful skills. I fear from now until the world becomes uninhabitable through climate change that these useless people will remain useless and keep voting in fascists and ultranationalists that will quite literally destroy the planet out of spite for the "elite" who were lucky and skilled enough to be useful to society.
- KirinDave 10y ago
  Quite frankly, neither party has truly addressed public reeducation in a way that is economically viable for adults losing their jobs. We aren't even providing it to young people who ostensibly need it. Until we have a way to offer adult education in a way that is financially viable to individuals AND preserves their dignity and aligns with American distaste for pure subsidy, this issue will be nothing but a token talking point for both parties.