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I am a trump supporter, and work in tech management. I agree with 100% of what you're saying. I've personally seen the abuses of the H-1B program. I know that

by 464192002d7fe1c 10y ago

I am a trump supporter, and work in tech management. I agree with 100% of what you're saying. I've personally seen the abuses of the H-1B program. I know that the required job searches prior to utilizing the H-1B program are basically perfunctory. I know that the workers under the program are abused. I know it depresses wages for American workers overall. Its funny, I generally despise the term "social justice," but, you're dead on here.

biocomputation 10y ago
Thanks for your remarks. We'll definitely have to agree to disagree on Trump, but you and I do have common ground in our belief that access to employment is an issue of social justice, and that the H1-B program has been abused and corrupted in a way that has created profoundly unjust outcomes for Americans. The United States already has a program for legal immigration, right? Why do we even need H1-B?
- mandeepj 10y ago
  > The United States already has a program for legal immigration, right? Why do we even need H1-B? I'm pretty convinced you don't have solid understanding about inner workings of immigration and H1-B. You just have some hatred against this visa. Most of jobs holded by h1-b candidates are temporary and their ranks stand at the very bottom of the food chain. These jobs last not more than few months and in very rare cases 1-2 years. So, they are the first ones to leave the company before the permanent ones. H1-b candidates are very expensive to hire. Although, they do get paid very low. Now, please go and educate five other people so that we can end this BS propaganda.
  - biocomputation 10y ago
    >> You just have some hatred against this visa. Jobs are a bedrock social justice issue in the United States. You're free to characterize me remarks however you like, but I'm pretty sure that the fact that 60-80% of H1-B visas are issued to citizens of only two countries is a sign that the program has been hopelessly corrupted.
    - mandeepj 10y ago
      > I'm pretty sure that the fact that 60-80% of H1-B visas are issued to citizens of only two countries is a sign that the program has been hopelessly corrupted. Those two countries are also highly populated in the world so the numbers are proportional
  - serge2k 10y ago
    > H1-b candidates are very expensive to hire. Although, they do get paid very low. Huh. I don't feel horribly underpaid. I'm pretty sure I'm making about the same as my American citizen peers.
    - mandeepj 10y ago
      are you a full time employee or a contractor? first layer companies charge around $80 per hour. Contractors get paid around $50.
      - serge2k 10y ago
        I'm a salaried full time employee at a major tech company.
        mandeepj 10y ago
        Good for you. This is why you don't feel underpaid
- jfim 10y ago
  > The United States already has a program for legal immigration, right? H-1B is part of the immigration path for many immigrants, since it's a dual intent visa. There's a couple paths to immigrating on a permanent basis to the US, H-1B to green card to citizenship being one of them.
kartman 10y ago
here they come, crawling out of the woodwork...emboldened. and this is just the beginning of who knows how long a time period..at least 4 years , maybe indefinite. both this and parent comment who mentioned he is gay. both pretty much saying, as long as it does not affect us and our group, let us disrupt the lives of people who came here legally and have paid taxes etc and throw them back. its not that you are saying change the policy for new guys coming in who can then decide whether to come in- you actively want to disrupt the lives of people you probably see and work with everyday, maybe go to happy hour with. who came here and have built a life with some long hard path to a greencard implied when they chose to take the H1 path. today this group, tomorrow another, then the next - attack the non-enfranchised and weak, weaken the next group, attack. and so it has begun... i am a bit nervous of having typed this out. fear.
- biocomputation 10y ago
  >> here they come, crawling out of the woodwork...emboldened. Who exactly is crawling out of the woodwork? People who are against H1-B because it creates profoundly unjust outcomes for American workers? When H1-B is discussed on HN, a lot of the participants who are American citizens have written a lot of negative remarks about the program. Are you suggesting that all these people are closet racists as well? H1-B is unpopular program with American workers because access to jobs is one of the most important elements of social mobility in the US and a hell of a lot of American workers just happen to believe that they should not have to compete with foreign nationals for economic opportunity. I've said it many times in this thread: Access to jobs is a bedrock social justice issue in America. No one here has made a single personal attack or nasty remark to anyone else. Your remarks make you sound like a proper fascist, and you really should apologize.
  - kartman 10y ago
    one of your earlier comments can be paraphrased to "round em up and throw em out" and i am a fascist :)? just answer this - is this what you propose: a H1b guy had been here 8 years, greencard is in process 4 years, scheduled to come in 2 more.. you want him fired and sent back home right away? btw, i run a business. when you hire and do it right - you hire for value produced and then consider cost of worker. as a consumer you want the best prices. but you are not comfortable with how the market will ensure it delivers your want, especially in your field of work. crawling out of woodwork refers to the closet trump supporters who did not speak up until now, there are plenty and you will see plenty more. like the guy whose comment i replied to originally. 47% and trending upwards. trump has used extremely skilled techniques to mobilize crowds and influence people - even very intelligent people. he will continue to do so, since mob momentum is very very hard to fight against. whether you realize it or no, its not about specific issues anymore because each of them is small by itself. you said you are gay, so just wait your turn after the H1b dudes, mexicans working fields producing our food and a few others are dealt with.

biocomputation 10y ago

Thanks for your remarks. We'll definitely have to agree to disagree on Trump, but you and I do have common ground in our belief that access to employment is an issue of social justice, and that the H1-B program has been abused and corrupted in a way that has created profoundly unjust outcomes for Americans. The United States already has a program for legal immigration, right? Why do we even need H1-B?

mandeepj 10y ago
> The United States already has a program for legal immigration, right? Why do we even need H1-B? I'm pretty convinced you don't have solid understanding about inner workings of immigration and H1-B. You just have some hatred against this visa. Most of jobs holded by h1-b candidates are temporary and their ranks stand at the very bottom of the food chain. These jobs last not more than few months and in very rare cases 1-2 years. So, they are the first ones to leave the company before the permanent ones. H1-b candidates are very expensive to hire. Although, they do get paid very low. Now, please go and educate five other people so that we can end this BS propaganda.
- biocomputation 10y ago
  >> You just have some hatred against this visa. Jobs are a bedrock social justice issue in the United States. You're free to characterize me remarks however you like, but I'm pretty sure that the fact that 60-80% of H1-B visas are issued to citizens of only two countries is a sign that the program has been hopelessly corrupted.
  - mandeepj 10y ago
    > I'm pretty sure that the fact that 60-80% of H1-B visas are issued to citizens of only two countries is a sign that the program has been hopelessly corrupted. Those two countries are also highly populated in the world so the numbers are proportional
- serge2k 10y ago
  > H1-b candidates are very expensive to hire. Although, they do get paid very low. Huh. I don't feel horribly underpaid. I'm pretty sure I'm making about the same as my American citizen peers.
  - mandeepj 10y ago
    are you a full time employee or a contractor? first layer companies charge around $80 per hour. Contractors get paid around $50.
    - serge2k 10y ago
      I'm a salaried full time employee at a major tech company.
      - mandeepj 10y ago
        Good for you. This is why you don't feel underpaid
jfim 10y ago
> The United States already has a program for legal immigration, right? H-1B is part of the immigration path for many immigrants, since it's a dual intent visa. There's a couple paths to immigrating on a permanent basis to the US, H-1B to green card to citizenship being one of them.

kartman 10y ago

here they come, crawling out of the woodwork...emboldened. and this is just the beginning of who knows how long a time period..at least 4 years , maybe indefinite. both this and parent comment who mentioned he is gay. both pretty much saying, as long as it does not affect us and our group, let us disrupt the lives of people who came here legally and have paid taxes etc and throw them back. its not that you are saying change the policy for new guys coming in who can then decide whether to come in- you actively want to disrupt the lives of people you probably see and work with everyday, maybe go to happy hour with. who came here and have built a life with some long hard path to a greencard implied when they chose to take the H1 path. today this group, tomorrow another, then the next - attack the non-enfranchised and weak, weaken the next group, attack. and so it has begun... i am a bit nervous of having typed this out. fear.

biocomputation 10y ago
>> here they come, crawling out of the woodwork...emboldened. Who exactly is crawling out of the woodwork? People who are against H1-B because it creates profoundly unjust outcomes for American workers? When H1-B is discussed on HN, a lot of the participants who are American citizens have written a lot of negative remarks about the program. Are you suggesting that all these people are closet racists as well? H1-B is unpopular program with American workers because access to jobs is one of the most important elements of social mobility in the US and a hell of a lot of American workers just happen to believe that they should not have to compete with foreign nationals for economic opportunity. I've said it many times in this thread: Access to jobs is a bedrock social justice issue in America. No one here has made a single personal attack or nasty remark to anyone else. Your remarks make you sound like a proper fascist, and you really should apologize.
- kartman 10y ago
  one of your earlier comments can be paraphrased to "round em up and throw em out" and i am a fascist :)? just answer this - is this what you propose: a H1b guy had been here 8 years, greencard is in process 4 years, scheduled to come in 2 more.. you want him fired and sent back home right away? btw, i run a business. when you hire and do it right - you hire for value produced and then consider cost of worker. as a consumer you want the best prices. but you are not comfortable with how the market will ensure it delivers your want, especially in your field of work. crawling out of woodwork refers to the closet trump supporters who did not speak up until now, there are plenty and you will see plenty more. like the guy whose comment i replied to originally. 47% and trending upwards. trump has used extremely skilled techniques to mobilize crowds and influence people - even very intelligent people. he will continue to do so, since mob momentum is very very hard to fight against. whether you realize it or no, its not about specific issues anymore because each of them is small by itself. you said you are gay, so just wait your turn after the H1b dudes, mexicans working fields producing our food and a few others are dealt with.