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We support free speech, obviously. And we're happy to fund people with all sorts of different political views. We do not allow harassment, for which Andrew un

by sama 10y ago

We support free speech, obviously. And we're happy to fund people with all sorts of different political views. We do not allow harassment, for which Andrew unfortunately set a new bar in our community. You can look at his Twitter or Facebook for plenty of public examples, to say nothing of what he's said privately. As per our previous comments, when a founder violates our ethics statement, we remove them from the community.

angersock 10y ago
While I'm generally rather suspect of you folks and your moral authority, this is an example of the behavior you're referring to: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxAg4AXXcAITru4.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxAg4AXXcAITru4.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxAbtwQUcAApPQa.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxAbtwQUcAApPQa.jpg https://twitter.com/torbahax/status/797110760556167168 https://twitter.com/torbahax/status/797110760556167168 From a pure business standpoint, fuck that guy. He didn't really articulate his views in any way that could remotely be considered constructive, and if the rest of his behavior matches that, it's difficult to imagine keeping him around.
- hawkice 10y ago
  The first and third ones were clearly mean-spirited, but the second one seems like it's in-bounds for society as a whole ("coward", while obviously impolite, can't possibly be worse than "racist", which is apparently an in-bounds part of political conversation). Not an insane request to abide by either: if they are literally asking for it, naming and shaming seems opt-in-able.
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- nickthemagicman 10y ago
  Wow, just wow. Jerk! Also that dude needs to get off /b/ every now and then. He sounds like hes got a box of chicken tendies next to his keyboard...
- merb 10y ago
  What about that: https://twitter.com/torbahax/status/797203694160871425 https://twitter.com/torbahax/status/797203694160871425 I really can't understand such a attitude.
tafeminist 10y ago
@sama Sam Altman, can you explain your reasoning for banning a company that merely wrote something on Twitter, but you allowed Jumpcut from S16 who actually went into the streets and filmed street harassment (forcefully kissing women without permission, massaging them without permission, and "motor-boating" them as an incentive for charity) with their brand Simple Pickup? Here are links proving my point: http://www.dailydot.com/irl/simple-pickup-youtube-sexual-assault/ http://www.dailydot.com/irl/simple-pickup-youtube-sexual-ass... http://www.dailycal.org/2012/02/29/youtube-pickup-artists-coming-to-uc-berkeley-generate-controversy/ http://www.dailycal.org/2012/02/29/youtube-pickup-artists-co... Here's the petition to remove their YouTube channel -> www.change.org/p/youtube-com-end-street-harassment-remove-simple-pickup-s-youtube-channel-13bef5b3-1dcc-4f8a-be88-ef3f69cc7e1c They are still making money with their Project Go program which shows their instructor Willy molesting a woman without her knowing she was being filmed. Seems like this type of harassment is an embodiment of what you would disagree with. Or were you just not aware of this?
- 1337biz 10y ago
  And here we go. That is exactly what happens once censorship is not any longer based on legal evidence but personal judgement. The 'my feelings are hurt more than yours competition' starts. Edit: Actually watched some of the videos mentioned. Totally amazed how anyone can get offended by prank videos and doesn't know about actors involved.
  - hawkice 10y ago
    We're talking about how an organization chooses who to boycott. Legal evidence typically isn't the standard here, but I think it's reasonable to ask what that standard might be.
- hawkice 10y ago
  I don't want to read too far into the comments already made, but: a YC company sexually harassing strangers on the street doesn't seem to impact people's desire to do business with YC. But if you do much less, but to people YC has to do business with, that has real consequences. If they were motorboating Marc Andreessen without consent, for instance, they wouldn't need news coverage and video to drop them. EDIT: I don't mean this to be cynical so much as derived from fiduciary duty.
throwaway11-11 10y ago
You can see Andrew's tweet here: http://imgur.com/a/vnbvT http://imgur.com/a/vnbvT Note that he did not simply tweet the words "Build the wall." That's not what happened. What he did is he screenshotted another YC founder's private facebook wall post, in which she says she is scared for her safety. And he publicly tweeted her words while adding "Build the wall" as mocking commentary.

by sama 10y ago

angersock 10y ago

While I'm generally rather suspect of you folks and your moral authority, this is an example of the behavior you're referring to: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxAg4AXXcAITru4.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxAg4AXXcAITru4.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxAbtwQUcAApPQa.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxAbtwQUcAApPQa.jpg https://twitter.com/torbahax/status/797110760556167168 https://twitter.com/torbahax/status/797110760556167168 From a pure business standpoint, fuck that guy. He didn't really articulate his views in any way that could remotely be considered constructive, and if the rest of his behavior matches that, it's difficult to imagine keeping him around.

hawkice 10y ago
The first and third ones were clearly mean-spirited, but the second one seems like it's in-bounds for society as a whole ("coward", while obviously impolite, can't possibly be worse than "racist", which is apparently an in-bounds part of political conversation). Not an insane request to abide by either: if they are literally asking for it, naming and shaming seems opt-in-able.
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nickthemagicman 10y ago
Wow, just wow. Jerk! Also that dude needs to get off /b/ every now and then. He sounds like hes got a box of chicken tendies next to his keyboard...
merb 10y ago
What about that: https://twitter.com/torbahax/status/797203694160871425 https://twitter.com/torbahax/status/797203694160871425 I really can't understand such a attitude.

tafeminist 10y ago

@sama Sam Altman, can you explain your reasoning for banning a company that merely wrote something on Twitter, but you allowed Jumpcut from S16 who actually went into the streets and filmed street harassment (forcefully kissing women without permission, massaging them without permission, and "motor-boating" them as an incentive for charity) with their brand Simple Pickup? Here are links proving my point: http://www.dailydot.com/irl/simple-pickup-youtube-sexual-assault/ http://www.dailydot.com/irl/simple-pickup-youtube-sexual-ass... http://www.dailycal.org/2012/02/29/youtube-pickup-artists-coming-to-uc-berkeley-generate-controversy/ http://www.dailycal.org/2012/02/29/youtube-pickup-artists-co... Here's the petition to remove their YouTube channel -> www.change.org/p/youtube-com-end-street-harassment-remove-simple-pickup-s-youtube-channel-13bef5b3-1dcc-4f8a-be88-ef3f69cc7e1c They are still making money with their Project Go program which shows their instructor Willy molesting a woman without her knowing she was being filmed. Seems like this type of harassment is an embodiment of what you would disagree with. Or were you just not aware of this?

1337biz 10y ago
And here we go. That is exactly what happens once censorship is not any longer based on legal evidence but personal judgement. The 'my feelings are hurt more than yours competition' starts. Edit: Actually watched some of the videos mentioned. Totally amazed how anyone can get offended by prank videos and doesn't know about actors involved.
- hawkice 10y ago
  We're talking about how an organization chooses who to boycott. Legal evidence typically isn't the standard here, but I think it's reasonable to ask what that standard might be.
hawkice 10y ago
I don't want to read too far into the comments already made, but: a YC company sexually harassing strangers on the street doesn't seem to impact people's desire to do business with YC. But if you do much less, but to people YC has to do business with, that has real consequences. If they were motorboating Marc Andreessen without consent, for instance, they wouldn't need news coverage and video to drop them. EDIT: I don't mean this to be cynical so much as derived from fiduciary duty.

throwaway11-11 10y ago

You can see Andrew's tweet here: http://imgur.com/a/vnbvT http://imgur.com/a/vnbvT Note that he did not simply tweet the words "Build the wall." That's not what happened. What he did is he screenshotted another YC founder's private facebook wall post, in which she says she is scared for her safety. And he publicly tweeted her words while adding "Build the wall" as mocking commentary.