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JS is not perfect but is good enough. It is everywhere and will be used everywhere in the future, from browsers, to servers, mobile, etc. Maybe it will be perf

JS is not perfect but is good enough. It is everywhere and will be used everywhere in the future, from browsers, to servers, mobile, etc. Maybe it will be perfected as new versions come along. We should push in that direction if we feel there are rough spots right now. I've learned to love it. I wish there is JS hosting solutions as simple to run as php for newbies. Remember the first one giving such a service, appjet, was bought by google by millions. There is market for JS on the server. There is market for JS on the mobile world too. APIs are wonderful, see all you can do with canvas, svg, websockets, etc. all managed thru JS and you can do wonders with them. If the whole iPhone/iPad experience could be accessed using JS apis, it would grow the ecosystem by tenfold. I hate objective C, but I could easily build a thousand apps in javascript overnight. No kidding. JS is here to stay, and I am happy for that.

gruseom 17y ago
As I've said here before, it turned out to be a great stroke of luck for us all that Eich had recently read SICP when he was handed the job of making Livescript. Sure, the pieces that made it in may be mangled and half-digested, so much so that it took 10 years before people were able to even recognize them, but enough of the original greatness survives that amazing things are possible with JS. Imagine if he had been infatuated with, I don't know, Ada instead. Edit: "it took 10 years before people were able to even recognize them" isn't quite right. It would be better to say that it took 10 years for people to reassemble the pieces that were left, like a vase from antiquity or one of those fragmented biblical codices.
BenjaminCoe 17y ago
Some of the server-side JavaScript stuff is really slick. APE ( http://www.ape-project.org/ http://www.ape-project.org/ ) runs JavaScript on the server-side, for instance. You basically write a client and server in JavaScript and it uses Comet to push events to the client, rather than a JavaScript client needing to constantly request updates -- a great paradigm, that could lead to much more robust multi-user JavaScript applications.
- hoggle 17y ago
  "Helma" Framework comes to my mind too: http://helma.org/ http://helma.org/
  - mikepurvis 17y ago
    Has anyone here had experience actually using Helma? How does it compare to other general-purpose code frameworks? I had it downloaded about a year ago and made a few toy projects, but nothing serious enough to really give it a proper workout. (And I don't have a VPS to actually launch anything on...)

gruseom 17y ago

As I've said here before, it turned out to be a great stroke of luck for us all that Eich had recently read SICP when he was handed the job of making Livescript. Sure, the pieces that made it in may be mangled and half-digested, so much so that it took 10 years before people were able to even recognize them, but enough of the original greatness survives that amazing things are possible with JS. Imagine if he had been infatuated with, I don't know, Ada instead. Edit: "it took 10 years before people were able to even recognize them" isn't quite right. It would be better to say that it took 10 years for people to reassemble the pieces that were left, like a vase from antiquity or one of those fragmented biblical codices.

BenjaminCoe 17y ago

Some of the server-side JavaScript stuff is really slick. APE ( http://www.ape-project.org/ http://www.ape-project.org/ ) runs JavaScript on the server-side, for instance. You basically write a client and server in JavaScript and it uses Comet to push events to the client, rather than a JavaScript client needing to constantly request updates -- a great paradigm, that could lead to much more robust multi-user JavaScript applications.

hoggle 17y ago
"Helma" Framework comes to my mind too: http://helma.org/ http://helma.org/
- mikepurvis 17y ago
  Has anyone here had experience actually using Helma? How does it compare to other general-purpose code frameworks? I had it downloaded about a year ago and made a few toy projects, but nothing serious enough to really give it a proper workout. (And I don't have a VPS to actually launch anything on...)