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Anybody have a link to the complaint/application for a TRO? A lot of the comments here are talking about copyright law, but most protection or attempted protect

by scott00 10y ago

Anybody have a link to the complaint/application for a TRO? A lot of the comments here are talking about copyright law, but most protection or attempted protection of data is done with licensing agreements. I would guess FIDE could require the people viewing in person and on the FIDE website to agree to not disseminate accounts of the game as a condition of being allowed to watch. I'd be interested to learn if FIDE has actually attempted to limit it this way, or if the debate is truly over copyright issues. And also if they did ask for the TRO on licensing grounds, was it because their licensing scheme was invalid, or just because the type of harm they were likely to suffer didn't rise to the level needed to qualify for injunctive relief.

CalChris 10y ago
I don't have that but the judge was pretty dismissive. From chessgames.com: In a hearing late in the day prior to the first game of the match, U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero was not persuaded that organizers of the $1 million, 12-game tournament had a legal right to block the websites from disclosing the moves until after each game.(7) Rejecting virtually every argument that World Chess asserted, he said, "I know this area of the law very well." http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=88069&crosstable=2 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=88069&crosstable...
- onestone 10y ago
  There are also more details mentioned in this Chess.com article: https://www.chess.com/news/carlsen-plays-white-in-round-one-agon-s-injunction-denied-7037 https://www.chess.com/news/carlsen-plays-white-in-round-one-...
- JadeNB 10y ago
  Just for reference, footnote (7) in your quote is a link to http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/11/10/us/ap-us-world-chess-lawsuit.html http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/11/10/us/ap-us-world-ch... .
conistonwater 10y ago
> on the FIDE website to agree to not disseminate accounts of the game as a condition of being allowed to watch. This is kinda off-topic here, but this might even be technically a violation of the CFAA! Orin Kerr from Volokh Conspiracy has written about it many times, but it's not a serious possibility I guess.
bo1024 10y ago
But FIDE is also broadcasting live, so even if they did try such a scheme, chess24 could just watch the livestream, get the moves, and make their own broadcast where they tell everyone else the moves.
Mathnerd314 10y ago
Docket: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/19780738/World_Chess_US,_Inc_et_al_v_Chessgames_Services_LLC_et_al https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/19780738/World_Ches... Articles regarding initial filing: http://www.law360.com/articles/860896/world-chess-files-4-5m-piracy-suit-over-players-moves http://www.law360.com/articles/860896/world-chess-files-4-5m... http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/chess-lawsuit-set-moves-federal-court-thursday-43432028 http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/chess-lawsuit-set-moves-f... Someone else with PACER access could easily obtain the order, but from the ABC article the argument is indeed that every visitor to the site agrees to not share the move information and therefore these other chess sites must have violated said agreement to obtain the move information. Chessgames's defense is that they don't get the data from the site, but instead from watching people on Twitter (there are multiple defendants though).

by scott00 10y ago

CalChris 10y ago

I don't have that but the judge was pretty dismissive. From chessgames.com: In a hearing late in the day prior to the first game of the match, U.S. District Judge Victor Marrero was not persuaded that organizers of the $1 million, 12-game tournament had a legal right to block the websites from disclosing the moves until after each game.(7) Rejecting virtually every argument that World Chess asserted, he said, "I know this area of the law very well." http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=88069&crosstable=2 http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=88069&crosstable...

onestone 10y ago
There are also more details mentioned in this Chess.com article: https://www.chess.com/news/carlsen-plays-white-in-round-one-agon-s-injunction-denied-7037 https://www.chess.com/news/carlsen-plays-white-in-round-one-...
JadeNB 10y ago
Just for reference, footnote (7) in your quote is a link to http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/11/10/us/ap-us-world-chess-lawsuit.html http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/11/10/us/ap-us-world-ch... .

conistonwater 10y ago

> on the FIDE website to agree to not disseminate accounts of the game as a condition of being allowed to watch. This is kinda off-topic here, but this might even be technically a violation of the CFAA! Orin Kerr from Volokh Conspiracy has written about it many times, but it's not a serious possibility I guess.

bo1024 10y ago

But FIDE is also broadcasting live, so even if they did try such a scheme, chess24 could just watch the livestream, get the moves, and make their own broadcast where they tell everyone else the moves.

Mathnerd314 10y ago

Docket: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/19780738/World_Chess_US,_Inc_et_al_v_Chessgames_Services_LLC_et_al https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/19780738/World_Ches... Articles regarding initial filing: http://www.law360.com/articles/860896/world-chess-files-4-5m-piracy-suit-over-players-moves http://www.law360.com/articles/860896/world-chess-files-4-5m... http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/chess-lawsuit-set-moves-federal-court-thursday-43432028 http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/chess-lawsuit-set-moves-f... Someone else with PACER access could easily obtain the order, but from the ABC article the argument is indeed that every visitor to the site agrees to not share the move information and therefore these other chess sites must have violated said agreement to obtain the move information. Chessgames's defense is that they don't get the data from the site, but instead from watching people on Twitter (there are multiple defendants though).