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Usually when people make this argument they're wrong, but not in this case. I'm disturbed by OP's low-quality trolling. When you're a dissident or ideological

by kapitza 10y ago

Usually when people make this argument they're wrong, but not in this case. I'm disturbed by OP's low-quality trolling. When you're a dissident or ideological minority in any context, it's absolutely essential at all times to be the kindest, gentlest, sweetest person in the room. That way, when they ban you for "feeling unsafe," it's obvious to everyone what's going on. Obviously OP wasn't actually a danger to anyone. That's ridiculous. But there isn't any world where you can be a dissident and also be a dick, and get away with it.

angersock 10y ago
> But there isn't any world where you can be a dissident and also be a dick, and get away with it. Unless you're Peter Thiel or rich or connected, right? :|
- kapitza 10y ago
  That's actually the point. You've defined "being a dick" as "supporting Emmanuel Goldstein, who wants to reverse all the great work the Party has done for the proles." I understand how you get there, logically. But perhaps Emmanuel Goldstein actually thinks the Party is bad for the proles? Maybe it's not that he hates the Party, because he hates the proles? Maybe you could ask him why he hates the Party, which as we know has done so much for the proles? But if Emmanuel Goldstein is actually an asshole in the normal sense of the word -- someone who's rude and unpleasant to the actual people around him -- it's hard to argue that there's a difference between these very different concepts. Pretty much guarantee you Peter Thiel is never, ever rude and unpleasant to the people around him. That's the difference.
  - angersock 10y ago
    If you'd like another example, try Steve Jobs. Or Bill Gates. Or Mark Zuckerberg. Your position isn't tenable in the face of history, unfortunately.
- pen2l 10y ago
  I am no fan of Peter Thiel, but Peter Thiel did not scoop to this level of low-quality trolling. Going forward, we need to try to get along with Trump supporters -- the portion that isn't deplorable. Supporters like your general joe shmo whose main grievance is being left behind in the new economy, who is unable for whatever reason to catch up. We do not need to make an effort to reconcile with the racists and /b/ crowd who constantly parrot misogynistic and racist things. I'm no fan of Thiel but it seems that he's aware what kind of platform he is standing on -- when he gave the big speech he said nothing offensive per se, he's not preaching hate like this guy is. This Torbe guy is clearly needlessly inflammatory and confrontational, he is not the kind of guy that makes a community go forward and advance. YC is so much better off without him. What's happened has happened, we really need to start thinking about the future. My big wish is that Thiel can do some good, like: bring nuance to the Trump crowd. He should condemn the hateful part of Trump supporters like this guy. sama or pg, if you're out there: can you please tell him to do this? Thiel will win me over if he clearly and openly condemns the racist and misogynistic part of his party.

by kapitza 10y ago

angersock 10y ago

> But there isn't any world where you can be a dissident and also be a dick, and get away with it. Unless you're Peter Thiel or rich or connected, right? :|

kapitza 10y ago
That's actually the point. You've defined "being a dick" as "supporting Emmanuel Goldstein, who wants to reverse all the great work the Party has done for the proles." I understand how you get there, logically. But perhaps Emmanuel Goldstein actually thinks the Party is bad for the proles? Maybe it's not that he hates the Party, because he hates the proles? Maybe you could ask him why he hates the Party, which as we know has done so much for the proles? But if Emmanuel Goldstein is actually an asshole in the normal sense of the word -- someone who's rude and unpleasant to the actual people around him -- it's hard to argue that there's a difference between these very different concepts. Pretty much guarantee you Peter Thiel is never, ever rude and unpleasant to the people around him. That's the difference.
- angersock 10y ago
  If you'd like another example, try Steve Jobs. Or Bill Gates. Or Mark Zuckerberg. Your position isn't tenable in the face of history, unfortunately.
pen2l 10y ago
I am no fan of Peter Thiel, but Peter Thiel did not scoop to this level of low-quality trolling. Going forward, we need to try to get along with Trump supporters -- the portion that isn't deplorable. Supporters like your general joe shmo whose main grievance is being left behind in the new economy, who is unable for whatever reason to catch up. We do not need to make an effort to reconcile with the racists and /b/ crowd who constantly parrot misogynistic and racist things. I'm no fan of Thiel but it seems that he's aware what kind of platform he is standing on -- when he gave the big speech he said nothing offensive per se, he's not preaching hate like this guy is. This Torbe guy is clearly needlessly inflammatory and confrontational, he is not the kind of guy that makes a community go forward and advance. YC is so much better off without him. What's happened has happened, we really need to start thinking about the future. My big wish is that Thiel can do some good, like: bring nuance to the Trump crowd. He should condemn the hateful part of Trump supporters like this guy. sama or pg, if you're out there: can you please tell him to do this? Thiel will win me over if he clearly and openly condemns the racist and misogynistic part of his party.