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Some of Trump's statements made more sense, others were more exciting, many of them were just lies, as I suspect we are about to find out. But yes charisma is

by sprafa 10y ago

Some of Trump's statements made more sense, others were more exciting, many of them were just lies, as I suspect we are about to find out. But yes charisma is often the ability to persuade, and persuasion passes through exaggeration, bravado, and if you are completely lost, lying. Everything indicates Trump is a pathological liar (same with Hillary). But because voters got caught up in his narcissism, he "won" (again electoral college only etc.)

mercer 10y ago
I think that doesn't do justice to the many people who voted Trump because they didn't want to vote for Hillary. Whether justified or not, many of the Trump voters/fans I've spoken to did not get caught up in Trump's 'narcissism'; they just feel so sick of 'the establishment' that they'd do anything to not get another Clinton in office. To be clear, I myself would probably have voted for Hillary instead of Trump, because I'm a cautious person and I prefer the 'evil' I know over the unpredictable nature of Trump. But if I squint, so to speak, I could see myself voting for Trump just because I dislike Hillary so much. That in itself scares me a bit (I'm big on LGBT rights and whatnot, on a very personal level). The reason why I'm pointing this out is that 1) we are now stuck with Trump, so let's try and make the best of it, 2) part of why we got here was the incredibly shallow name-calling and condemnation and stereotyping from both sides, encouraged by the media. Our best way forward is to try and understand the situation and most important the people involved, and why they voted the way they did, and go from there. And perhaps being honest and factually correct is a good idea too. Could be further analysis proves you right, btw. But right now I have no reason to believe that most people voted Trump primarily because they got 'caught up in his narcissism'.

by sprafa 10y ago

mercer 10y ago

I think that doesn't do justice to the many people who voted Trump because they didn't want to vote for Hillary. Whether justified or not, many of the Trump voters/fans I've spoken to did not get caught up in Trump's 'narcissism'; they just feel so sick of 'the establishment' that they'd do anything to not get another Clinton in office. To be clear, I myself would probably have voted for Hillary instead of Trump, because I'm a cautious person and I prefer the 'evil' I know over the unpredictable nature of Trump. But if I squint, so to speak, I could see myself voting for Trump just because I dislike Hillary so much. That in itself scares me a bit (I'm big on LGBT rights and whatnot, on a very personal level). The reason why I'm pointing this out is that 1) we are now stuck with Trump, so let's try and make the best of it, 2) part of why we got here was the incredibly shallow name-calling and condemnation and stereotyping from both sides, encouraged by the media. Our best way forward is to try and understand the situation and most important the people involved, and why they voted the way they did, and go from there. And perhaps being honest and factually correct is a good idea too. Could be further analysis proves you right, btw. But right now I have no reason to believe that most people voted Trump primarily because they got 'caught up in his narcissism'.