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Just saw on the news that after Trump met up with Obama, he's announced he wants to retain some core parts of Obamacare. The broken promises already started. A

Just saw on the news that after Trump met up with Obama, he's announced he wants to retain some core parts of Obamacare. The broken promises already started. And they're going to keep going. "Draining the swamp" already isn't happening. A lot of Washington insiders are on his team. I don't know if he's actually going to be able to do any of the things he's promised now that he's in the know.

snowwrestler 10y ago
Some provisions of Obamacare are very popular, even among Republicans. Requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions was supported by 74% of Americans, including 62% of Republicans, in a Harris Poll survey this past May. Of course, how do you keep insurance companies from going out of business under the weight of that provision? That's where the individual mandate came from--which is the least popular part of the law. So: good luck with making the numbers work, Trump.
- enraged_camel 10y ago
  Yeah, what puts "Affordable" in "Affordable Care Act" is also the most unfavorable part. That's why I believed it was essentially designed to fail (politically) and be repealed, and that's indeed what is about to happen.
- st3v3r 10y ago
  Meh, let someone else do that. They'll just repeal the ACA wholesale, and get back to the important stuff of Benghazi and email hearings.
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    Don't worry, he'll pardon her for her crimes, eventually.
- noonespecial 10y ago
  Requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions... I always believed that once you accept this as a required outcome, you initiate a dependency chain that ends in single-payer government health care. There's just no way around it.
  - snowwrestler 10y ago
    It's not clear whether Trump even opposes single-payer healthcare. He pushed the repeal of Obamacare pretty hard toward the end of the election when it became apparent that was a winning message. But he has said repeatedly that he does not believe that the U.S. can just abandon people without healthcare. "We have to take care of our people"--he said things like this a number of times. The big question now is how much control Trump will have over his own administration, vs. the established GOP machine in DC. Trump's inexperience with governing means he doesn't know all the tricks and levers for getting what he wants. He's used to just issuing commands to his corporate staff. The executive branch does not work like that. Everyone has their own agendas, and will undercut or sell out the president if they think it will help them.
enraged_camel 10y ago
>>I don't know if he's actually going to be able to do any of the things he's promised now that he's in the know. Keep in mind Obama also made many (leftist) promises in his 2008 campaign, such as closing Gitmo. Once he understood certain realities though, he had to abandon those promises and become more of a center-left president. In this election, the Democratic base wanted a real leftist. That's why there was tremendous excitement about Bernie. The Democrats decided to field a center-right candidate instead. The result is clear: they got crushed.
- st3v3r 10y ago
  Yeah, but Obama had a strong opposition in Congress, even when the Dems controlled it. It has yet to be seen, but I'm not confident that Trump will face anywhere near that much opposition.
  - grzm 10y ago
    I'm not disagreeing: how is this measured?
- st3v3r 10y ago
  Yeah, but Obama had a strong opposition in Congress, even when the Dems controlled it. It has yet to be seen, but I'm not confident that Trump will face anywhere near that much opposition.

snowwrestler 10y ago

Some provisions of Obamacare are very popular, even among Republicans. Requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions was supported by 74% of Americans, including 62% of Republicans, in a Harris Poll survey this past May. Of course, how do you keep insurance companies from going out of business under the weight of that provision? That's where the individual mandate came from--which is the least popular part of the law. So: good luck with making the numbers work, Trump.

enraged_camel 10y ago
Yeah, what puts "Affordable" in "Affordable Care Act" is also the most unfavorable part. That's why I believed it was essentially designed to fail (politically) and be repealed, and that's indeed what is about to happen.
st3v3r 10y ago
Meh, let someone else do that. They'll just repeal the ACA wholesale, and get back to the important stuff of Benghazi and email hearings.
- jessaustin 10y ago
  Don't worry, he'll pardon her for her crimes, eventually.
noonespecial 10y ago
Requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions... I always believed that once you accept this as a required outcome, you initiate a dependency chain that ends in single-payer government health care. There's just no way around it.
- snowwrestler 10y ago
  It's not clear whether Trump even opposes single-payer healthcare. He pushed the repeal of Obamacare pretty hard toward the end of the election when it became apparent that was a winning message. But he has said repeatedly that he does not believe that the U.S. can just abandon people without healthcare. "We have to take care of our people"--he said things like this a number of times. The big question now is how much control Trump will have over his own administration, vs. the established GOP machine in DC. Trump's inexperience with governing means he doesn't know all the tricks and levers for getting what he wants. He's used to just issuing commands to his corporate staff. The executive branch does not work like that. Everyone has their own agendas, and will undercut or sell out the president if they think it will help them.

enraged_camel 10y ago

>>I don't know if he's actually going to be able to do any of the things he's promised now that he's in the know. Keep in mind Obama also made many (leftist) promises in his 2008 campaign, such as closing Gitmo. Once he understood certain realities though, he had to abandon those promises and become more of a center-left president. In this election, the Democratic base wanted a real leftist. That's why there was tremendous excitement about Bernie. The Democrats decided to field a center-right candidate instead. The result is clear: they got crushed.

st3v3r 10y ago
Yeah, but Obama had a strong opposition in Congress, even when the Dems controlled it. It has yet to be seen, but I'm not confident that Trump will face anywhere near that much opposition.
- grzm 10y ago
  I'm not disagreeing: how is this measured?
st3v3r 10y ago
Yeah, but Obama had a strong opposition in Congress, even when the Dems controlled it. It has yet to be seen, but I'm not confident that Trump will face anywhere near that much opposition.