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Off the top of my head, the ability to run a web server without first getting approval from the government is a pretty obvious differenciator.

by badsock 10y ago

bogomipz 10y ago
So just that one criteria? Thats it? I believe you are referring to an ICP license which would is more regulatory/bureaucracy than anything else. You are also wrong, you can still put a web server without an ICP license. You won't go to jail for not having one nor does not having an ICP license mean you will automatically be censored . However if you want to have a large online presence then yes you will need to get an ICP license because hosting provider won't allow you to order rack or cages without one. You should read this. https://webdesign.tutsplus.com/articles/chinese-icp-licensing-what-why-and-how-to-get-hosted-in-china--cms-23193 https://webdesign.tutsplus.com/articles/chinese-icp-licensin... source: I worked for a CDN that put servers in China.
- badsock 10y ago
  From your link: "All sites hosted on a server in the Chinese mainland must, by law, apply for and receive one of these babies [an ICP License] before their site goes live, a rule enforced at the hosting level." The West doesn't require websites to display their licence number in their footers. They don't require printing presses to be registered with the government. True there's widespread surveillance, but there's no official and intrusive "great firewall": encrypted connections aren't throttled, there isn't widespread use of proxies just to simply _access_ popular sites in other countries. You can use whatever VPN you like in the West. Western movies are routinely banned in China, whereas I can't find a single example of a Chinese movie being banned in the Western world. Are you seriously making the claim that censorship in the West is literally at the same level as it in China? Because that's all I've said isn't true. I'm not saying that the West doesn't censor or propagandize, I'm saying that it (at least so far) hasn't engaged in to the same degree. I'm as angry at the media and the government surveillance in the West as anyone, but hyperbole does nothing to further the debate.
  - bogomipz 10y ago
    "Are you seriously making the claim that censorship in the West is literally at the same level as it in China?" No I never made that claim, what I said was that the OPs post was not a false equivalence and that the west had no shortage of similar things done "in the name of national security." There was no hyperbole or any superlatives used in anything I wrote.
chopin 10y ago
Try running a Tor exit node. Or a torrent site. At least in Europe that can earn you a visit by the police. We are not as free as we might think.
- bogomipz 10y ago
  Yep, hat's happened in the U.S. as well.

Off the top of my head, the ability to run a web server without first getting approval from the government is a pretty obvious differenciator.

by badsock 10y ago

Off the top of my head, the ability to run a web server without first getting approval from the government is a pretty obvious differenciator.

bogomipz 10y ago

So just that one criteria? Thats it? I believe you are referring to an ICP license which would is more regulatory/bureaucracy than anything else. You are also wrong, you can still put a web server without an ICP license. You won't go to jail for not having one nor does not having an ICP license mean you will automatically be censored . However if you want to have a large online presence then yes you will need to get an ICP license because hosting provider won't allow you to order rack or cages without one. You should read this. https://webdesign.tutsplus.com/articles/chinese-icp-licensing-what-why-and-how-to-get-hosted-in-china--cms-23193 https://webdesign.tutsplus.com/articles/chinese-icp-licensin... source: I worked for a CDN that put servers in China.

badsock 10y ago
From your link: "All sites hosted on a server in the Chinese mainland must, by law, apply for and receive one of these babies [an ICP License] before their site goes live, a rule enforced at the hosting level." The West doesn't require websites to display their licence number in their footers. They don't require printing presses to be registered with the government. True there's widespread surveillance, but there's no official and intrusive "great firewall": encrypted connections aren't throttled, there isn't widespread use of proxies just to simply _access_ popular sites in other countries. You can use whatever VPN you like in the West. Western movies are routinely banned in China, whereas I can't find a single example of a Chinese movie being banned in the Western world. Are you seriously making the claim that censorship in the West is literally at the same level as it in China? Because that's all I've said isn't true. I'm not saying that the West doesn't censor or propagandize, I'm saying that it (at least so far) hasn't engaged in to the same degree. I'm as angry at the media and the government surveillance in the West as anyone, but hyperbole does nothing to further the debate.
- bogomipz 10y ago
  "Are you seriously making the claim that censorship in the West is literally at the same level as it in China?" No I never made that claim, what I said was that the OPs post was not a false equivalence and that the west had no shortage of similar things done "in the name of national security." There was no hyperbole or any superlatives used in anything I wrote.

chopin 10y ago

Try running a Tor exit node. Or a torrent site. At least in Europe that can earn you a visit by the police. We are not as free as we might think.

bogomipz 10y ago
Yep, hat's happened in the U.S. as well.