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No, but losing the Rust Belt cost the Democrats the election. The loss of manufacturing cost a lot of jobs in that region.

by melling 10y ago

threeseed 10y ago
Jobs that are never coming back. Renewables and natural gas will decimate coal in the coming years. And low end product manufacturing won't be able to compete with the cheaper labour and supply chain superiority of other countries. US manufacturing if it survives at all will be high end, highly skilled work. And the US is woeful when it comes to investing in technical training.
- melling 10y ago
  Why are you telling me this? I was explaining why Clinton lost the election. Someone needs to solve the Rust Belt problem. I have no idea if Trump has a plan but he did not ignore the people in those states so they voted for him. You don't win votes by telling people their jobs aren't coming back.
  - enraged_camel 10y ago
    >>You don't win votes by telling people their jobs aren't coming back. I think you can, if you present them with alternatives that make sense. Coming up with such alternatives requires a lot of planning and creative thinking through, which Hillary thought not worth it because polls showed her ahead in those states...
  - threeseed 10y ago
    Because I would argue Hillary didn't lose the rust belt. Trump won it. By lying to those people that he will bring their jobs back.
    - chillacy 10y ago
      I think with enough regulation, he can bring their jobs back. It just comes at the cost of productivity, which means we end up paying extra for it. Consider the Obama tire tariffs. Tire manufacturing is up in the US, we created some jobs, but overall we all collectively pay way more in tires.
      - jessaustin 10y ago
        Yeah tires are really expensive now. It stands to reason, that they would pick a product that even poor people have to buy. Couldn't have tariffs on fancy phones and luxury cars!
        chillacy 10y ago
        Yup. More details: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/10/23/how-obamas-tire-tariffs-have-hurt-consumers/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/10/23/how-o... We all collectively paid $1.1 billion dollars to give up to 1200 people a job in the tire industry.
        YuriNiyazov 10y ago
        Yup, and we should've been willing to pay a whole lot more, so that more people kept their rust-belt jobs, and weren't swayed by Trump's "jobs, jobs" appeal.
    - melling 10y ago
      Wow, i feel better now. She didn't lose, Trump won. Do you belong to a generation where everyone is a winner? The person who runs our country depends on those votes. It's really important that people are not forgotten. If Trump makes even a little progress with jobs, he'll be a two term president.

No, but losing the Rust Belt cost the Democrats the election. The loss of manufacturing cost a lot of jobs in that region.

by melling 10y ago

No, but losing the Rust Belt cost the Democrats the election. The loss of manufacturing cost a lot of jobs in that region.

threeseed 10y ago

Jobs that are never coming back. Renewables and natural gas will decimate coal in the coming years. And low end product manufacturing won't be able to compete with the cheaper labour and supply chain superiority of other countries. US manufacturing if it survives at all will be high end, highly skilled work. And the US is woeful when it comes to investing in technical training.

melling 10y ago
Why are you telling me this? I was explaining why Clinton lost the election. Someone needs to solve the Rust Belt problem. I have no idea if Trump has a plan but he did not ignore the people in those states so they voted for him. You don't win votes by telling people their jobs aren't coming back.
- enraged_camel 10y ago
  >>You don't win votes by telling people their jobs aren't coming back. I think you can, if you present them with alternatives that make sense. Coming up with such alternatives requires a lot of planning and creative thinking through, which Hillary thought not worth it because polls showed her ahead in those states...
- threeseed 10y ago
  Because I would argue Hillary didn't lose the rust belt. Trump won it. By lying to those people that he will bring their jobs back.
  - chillacy 10y ago
    I think with enough regulation, he can bring their jobs back. It just comes at the cost of productivity, which means we end up paying extra for it. Consider the Obama tire tariffs. Tire manufacturing is up in the US, we created some jobs, but overall we all collectively pay way more in tires.
    - jessaustin 10y ago
      Yeah tires are really expensive now. It stands to reason, that they would pick a product that even poor people have to buy. Couldn't have tariffs on fancy phones and luxury cars!
      - chillacy 10y ago
        Yup. More details: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/10/23/how-obamas-tire-tariffs-have-hurt-consumers/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/10/23/how-o... We all collectively paid $1.1 billion dollars to give up to 1200 people a job in the tire industry.
        YuriNiyazov 10y ago
        Yup, and we should've been willing to pay a whole lot more, so that more people kept their rust-belt jobs, and weren't swayed by Trump's "jobs, jobs" appeal.
  - melling 10y ago
    Wow, i feel better now. She didn't lose, Trump won. Do you belong to a generation where everyone is a winner? The person who runs our country depends on those votes. It's really important that people are not forgotten. If Trump makes even a little progress with jobs, he'll be a two term president.