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Let me ask you this: Why were people so shocked here that Trump won? Could echo chamber sentiment play a part? Trump win was clear for lot of people who did som

by 551199 10y ago

Let me ask you this: Why were people so shocked here that Trump won? Could echo chamber sentiment play a part? Trump win was clear for lot of people who did some research instead of outsourcing thinking to FOX/CNN/MSNBC/NYTIMES. Considering common sentiment here is exact DNC/media has created ’Trump supporters are racist, sexist, homophobic’. 'Trump is x' when in reality he is the opposite its clear some voices aren’t heard. One would think it would be more fruitful for sites like HN to know the other side of things.

dang 10y ago
The first error is here: > Why were people so shocked here Nearly every general claim about HN is based on the kind of sample bias I described above (edit: oops, I meant at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12932296 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12932296). People with strong beliefs convince themselves that "HN" is against their view, but this is an imaginary HN that they're projecting onto the real one. The truth is that on most questions where society is divided, HN is also divided, with plenty of users and comments on both sides. Even on the rare issue where HN skews strongly one way, e.g. Snowden, plenty of people still argue the other side. This dynamic has some counterintuitive consequences. One is that the more neutral we are in moderating HN, the more biased we appear, to people who feel strongly about an issue. Another is that the more diverse HN is in terms of conflicting opinions, the less diverse people (again, people who feel strongly) actually think it is. I wrote about this in a bunch of comments in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12000847 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12000847. (All this is beside the more important point I've been trying to make to you about violating the spirit of this site. I'll assume you've grokked that by now.)
- 551199 10y ago
  > Nearly every general claim about HN is based on the kind of sample bias I described above By reading multiple threads from start to bottom it's quite clear people don't 'get' why he won. And I don't blame them if they been only informed by MSM. > It's more exciting to feel oneself to be the underdog, surrounded by enemies, than to spend a lot of time looking at data Wikileaks: Clinton campaign colluding with all major news orgs. Polls were a sham questions ranging from stuff like would you rather vote for ‘Trump or Obama’ to heavy weighting issues. Debate questions given beforehand to Clinton. GOP going against Trump, all nasty hoax stories ranging to raping 13 year girl. You can even find the exact ‘Trump is crazy racist playbook narrative’. Look it doesn’t matter if people are against or support Trump, but it’s quite concerning to see people labeled as ‘racist, sexist etc’ without any merit just because supporting Trump. Or accusing Trump something like his hatred against gays in hn when the truth is exact opposite. After Trump has been elected people have been reporting false sexual assault stories (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/11/10/us/ap-us-student-assaulted-headscarf.html http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/11/10/us/ap-us-student-...). Influential people in social media with millions of followers saying that now gays are going to be killed because of Trump. Have a look at social media people against Trump are acting extremely vile. Hopefully that doesn't lead to violence. Media and DNC has created this narrative and they should be the ones to undue it. Instead Trump supporters have to do their dirty work and silencing us is not going to make it better.

by 551199 10y ago

dang 10y ago

The first error is here: > Why were people so shocked here Nearly every general claim about HN is based on the kind of sample bias I described above (edit: oops, I meant at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12932296 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12932296). People with strong beliefs convince themselves that "HN" is against their view, but this is an imaginary HN that they're projecting onto the real one. The truth is that on most questions where society is divided, HN is also divided, with plenty of users and comments on both sides. Even on the rare issue where HN skews strongly one way, e.g. Snowden, plenty of people still argue the other side. This dynamic has some counterintuitive consequences. One is that the more neutral we are in moderating HN, the more biased we appear, to people who feel strongly about an issue. Another is that the more diverse HN is in terms of conflicting opinions, the less diverse people (again, people who feel strongly) actually think it is. I wrote about this in a bunch of comments in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12000847 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12000847. (All this is beside the more important point I've been trying to make to you about violating the spirit of this site. I'll assume you've grokked that by now.)

551199 10y ago
> Nearly every general claim about HN is based on the kind of sample bias I described above By reading multiple threads from start to bottom it's quite clear people don't 'get' why he won. And I don't blame them if they been only informed by MSM. > It's more exciting to feel oneself to be the underdog, surrounded by enemies, than to spend a lot of time looking at data Wikileaks: Clinton campaign colluding with all major news orgs. Polls were a sham questions ranging from stuff like would you rather vote for ‘Trump or Obama’ to heavy weighting issues. Debate questions given beforehand to Clinton. GOP going against Trump, all nasty hoax stories ranging to raping 13 year girl. You can even find the exact ‘Trump is crazy racist playbook narrative’. Look it doesn’t matter if people are against or support Trump, but it’s quite concerning to see people labeled as ‘racist, sexist etc’ without any merit just because supporting Trump. Or accusing Trump something like his hatred against gays in hn when the truth is exact opposite. After Trump has been elected people have been reporting false sexual assault stories (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/11/10/us/ap-us-student-assaulted-headscarf.html http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/11/10/us/ap-us-student-...). Influential people in social media with millions of followers saying that now gays are going to be killed because of Trump. Have a look at social media people against Trump are acting extremely vile. Hopefully that doesn't lead to violence. Media and DNC has created this narrative and they should be the ones to undue it. Instead Trump supporters have to do their dirty work and silencing us is not going to make it better.