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Because of this sentiment, western nations are going to be leaps and bounds behind China and other nations when it comes to technologies /treatments derived fr

Because of this sentiment, western nations are going to be leaps and bounds behind China and other nations when it comes to technologies /treatments derived from CRISPR. When George Church and ithers called for a moratorium on CRISPR based research, Chinese scientists said suit yourself and cintinued doing research on it. When the day comes that wr can cinduct research like this with simulations and can spare beasts unnecessary pain, im all for it. I find it more peculiar that people will treat a dog or other subhuman creature better then they will homeless person.

theonemind 10y ago
We could also make even faster progress by experimenting on humans. If China does that, perhaps we should also do it to keep up with them. We could solve the homeless problem at the same time. I tend to agree that western nations will lag, but I don't think that makes a good argument for doing it.
- FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
  > We could also make even faster progress by experimenting on humans. Do you find animal testing in the service of medical research unethical? I'm not advocating for animal testing for cosmetics, fashion, or profit, but in the service of saving human lives or something similar to the simian heroes of NASA
adrianN 10y ago
I think that "if we don't do it, the reds will get there first" is not a good argument in an ethical debate. Maybe the argument that right now people are suffering because they can't walk or have some other affliction whose cure requires animal testing carries more weight.
- FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
  Considering Americans how much meat Americans consume, there really shouldn't be an ethical debate. Killing animals to save human lives is more ethically sound than killing them because they taste delicious.
treehau5 10y ago
> I find it more peculiar that people will treat a dog or other subhuman creature better then they will homeless person. Maybe a tad off topic, but as a older millennial growing up in "dog" culture, thank you for saying this. The times I have seen my fellows, heck even my places of employment, bend over backwards to help the "Humane" society (ironic name, isn't it?), or hold puppy adoption events, or donate supplies to local shelters is astounding. Certainly commendable, but I wish the same enthusiasm was met for our fellow human beings as well. I wish we held "Adopt a child" events as much as we held "adopt a stray or rescue" events. I like those ads I hear sometimes about "You don't have to be perfect to be a foster parent" My wife and I are considering it. Maybe if it was more visible it would help push us over the cliff, and many others as well.
- FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
  By all means, I heartily recommend it. I grew up with an adoptive brother from the age of 8. I honestly think I'd be a less complete and more spoiled/selfish person if I grew up as a single child. He now has a wife and child and the rest of us have a new, extended family. Even though I have a degree in Economics, It's not hyperbolic to say that things like these are truly the priceless things that make life worth living.

theonemind 10y ago

We could also make even faster progress by experimenting on humans. If China does that, perhaps we should also do it to keep up with them. We could solve the homeless problem at the same time. I tend to agree that western nations will lag, but I don't think that makes a good argument for doing it.

FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
> We could also make even faster progress by experimenting on humans. Do you find animal testing in the service of medical research unethical? I'm not advocating for animal testing for cosmetics, fashion, or profit, but in the service of saving human lives or something similar to the simian heroes of NASA

adrianN 10y ago

I think that "if we don't do it, the reds will get there first" is not a good argument in an ethical debate. Maybe the argument that right now people are suffering because they can't walk or have some other affliction whose cure requires animal testing carries more weight.

FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
Considering Americans how much meat Americans consume, there really shouldn't be an ethical debate. Killing animals to save human lives is more ethically sound than killing them because they taste delicious.

treehau5 10y ago

> I find it more peculiar that people will treat a dog or other subhuman creature better then they will homeless person. Maybe a tad off topic, but as a older millennial growing up in "dog" culture, thank you for saying this. The times I have seen my fellows, heck even my places of employment, bend over backwards to help the "Humane" society (ironic name, isn't it?), or hold puppy adoption events, or donate supplies to local shelters is astounding. Certainly commendable, but I wish the same enthusiasm was met for our fellow human beings as well. I wish we held "Adopt a child" events as much as we held "adopt a stray or rescue" events. I like those ads I hear sometimes about "You don't have to be perfect to be a foster parent" My wife and I are considering it. Maybe if it was more visible it would help push us over the cliff, and many others as well.

FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
By all means, I heartily recommend it. I grew up with an adoptive brother from the age of 8. I honestly think I'd be a less complete and more spoiled/selfish person if I grew up as a single child. He now has a wife and child and the rest of us have a new, extended family. Even though I have a degree in Economics, It's not hyperbolic to say that things like these are truly the priceless things that make life worth living.