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No - he should be absolutely perfect in every way and never have used a swear word, even privately among friends.

by slowmotiony 10y ago

CyberDildonics 10y ago
So those friends -should- have that much power?
- lagadu 10y ago
  If elected to do so, yes. I'd like to reverse the question on you though: Should what he said in private make him legally ineligible to hold office or even any job?
- slowmotiony 10y ago
  Of course not - the election should be cancelled, the votes should be thrown into a garbage can and it should just be you who picks the best candidate.
dgacmu 10y ago
You're misstating the concern, which I assume you recognize. Nobody gives a fuck (see what I did there? :-) if Trump used a swear word. What people are concerned about was that he bragged that he was able to capitalize on his fame to assault somebody. I'm going to presume you're male - how would you feel if, say, Newt Gingrich walked up to you and grabbed your penis? Many people swear -- heck, I just did so in a public post under my own identity just to make a point! Many people use many terms to describe male and female anatomy. Nobody I know brags about being able to willfully assault people.
yequalsx 10y ago
What a magnificent deflection. No one is angry that he said "grab them by the pussy". It's that he does this without consent. He does this because he has power and can. That's what is deplorable. Your defense of this is also deplorable.
- slowmotiony 10y ago
  What power? Surely if he did that the woman could call the cops on him and make a massive media shitstorm. You actually believe he goes around assaulting women?
  - yequalsx 10y ago
    The power stemming from his fame and money. Are you being deliberately daft? Do you not understand the concept of power differential and powerlessness? Your second question suggests you have a profound misunderstanding of the sense of powerlessness victims often feel and thus don't call the cops. The cops aren't always called after every crime. You need to study more about crime and the psychology of victims/perpetrators.
    - slowmotiony 10y ago
      I'm sure after I study crime more I will learn that Trump regularly rapes women because he made a vulgar joke. It's just that the evidence is missing, but the crimes surely have happened. Sorry about me being so daft.
      - yequalsx 10y ago
        He didn't make a joke. He made a claim. He said he just grabs them by the pussy. I don't believe doing this is rape. I think it may be sexual assault but I'm not versed on the legal definition of these terms. I was molested as a kid. I did not call the cops or tell anyone. I was not raped. I was molested (i.e. touched sexually without consent). You are being daft and you are not sincerely apologizing for it. You are defending a person with a lot of power who claims to grope women without their consent. If you want to argue that the claim is not correct and that he was lying the do so. But he clearly was not joking. It was not funny. You are being daft because I clearly said that you need to read up on the psychology of victims/perpetrators because you made the stupid claim that if the women really were groped then they would have called the cops. I did not say you need to do this reading so that you can conclude Donald Trump is a criminal.
dabbledash 10y ago
The people who have a problem with that tape aren't upset about a dirty word. If you friends are kissing and groping people they just met "without even waiting," you should probably call the cops. If they think "she let me do it" is the thing as consent, they should be corrected before someone gets hurt.
- slowmotiony 10y ago
  Did he get any assault convictions? If I said I'd like to kill my boss would you call the SWAT team on me?
  - dabbledash 10y ago
    Ah, well now you're changing the subject. If you're granting that the issue is sexual assault and not bad language we can talk about that. Saying he would like to commit sexual assault would be disqualifying on its own, but in any case what he actually said was that it was something he does "whenever I meet a beautiful woman." So, I guess the better comparison would be if you said "when my kids talk back I beat the shit out of them."
  - m00n 10y ago
    Well, if you said instead, you killed several of your prior bosses and the widowed partners of some these were making public appearances in TV and you settled claims with some of them for undisclosed sums of money, yes, then I would maybe call the authorities or consider not voting you in the highest office.
    - slowmotiony 10y ago
      Yes but you see - he was voted in. He won.
      - m00n 10y ago
        Well, it's not such a big deal, apparently. Everybody looking the other way, when the boss touches the secretary. Good times!

No - he should be absolutely perfect in every way and never have used a swear word, even privately among friends.

CyberDildonics 10y ago

So those friends -should- have that much power?

lagadu 10y ago
If elected to do so, yes. I'd like to reverse the question on you though: Should what he said in private make him legally ineligible to hold office or even any job?
slowmotiony 10y ago
Of course not - the election should be cancelled, the votes should be thrown into a garbage can and it should just be you who picks the best candidate.

dgacmu 10y ago

You're misstating the concern, which I assume you recognize. Nobody gives a fuck (see what I did there? :-) if Trump used a swear word. What people are concerned about was that he bragged that he was able to capitalize on his fame to assault somebody. I'm going to presume you're male - how would you feel if, say, Newt Gingrich walked up to you and grabbed your penis? Many people swear -- heck, I just did so in a public post under my own identity just to make a point! Many people use many terms to describe male and female anatomy. Nobody I know brags about being able to willfully assault people.

yequalsx 10y ago

What a magnificent deflection. No one is angry that he said "grab them by the pussy". It's that he does this without consent. He does this because he has power and can. That's what is deplorable. Your defense of this is also deplorable.

slowmotiony 10y ago
What power? Surely if he did that the woman could call the cops on him and make a massive media shitstorm. You actually believe he goes around assaulting women?
- yequalsx 10y ago
  The power stemming from his fame and money. Are you being deliberately daft? Do you not understand the concept of power differential and powerlessness? Your second question suggests you have a profound misunderstanding of the sense of powerlessness victims often feel and thus don't call the cops. The cops aren't always called after every crime. You need to study more about crime and the psychology of victims/perpetrators.
  - slowmotiony 10y ago
    I'm sure after I study crime more I will learn that Trump regularly rapes women because he made a vulgar joke. It's just that the evidence is missing, but the crimes surely have happened. Sorry about me being so daft.
    - yequalsx 10y ago
      He didn't make a joke. He made a claim. He said he just grabs them by the pussy. I don't believe doing this is rape. I think it may be sexual assault but I'm not versed on the legal definition of these terms. I was molested as a kid. I did not call the cops or tell anyone. I was not raped. I was molested (i.e. touched sexually without consent). You are being daft and you are not sincerely apologizing for it. You are defending a person with a lot of power who claims to grope women without their consent. If you want to argue that the claim is not correct and that he was lying the do so. But he clearly was not joking. It was not funny. You are being daft because I clearly said that you need to read up on the psychology of victims/perpetrators because you made the stupid claim that if the women really were groped then they would have called the cops. I did not say you need to do this reading so that you can conclude Donald Trump is a criminal.

dabbledash 10y ago

The people who have a problem with that tape aren't upset about a dirty word. If you friends are kissing and groping people they just met "without even waiting," you should probably call the cops. If they think "she let me do it" is the thing as consent, they should be corrected before someone gets hurt.

slowmotiony 10y ago
Did he get any assault convictions? If I said I'd like to kill my boss would you call the SWAT team on me?
- dabbledash 10y ago
  Ah, well now you're changing the subject. If you're granting that the issue is sexual assault and not bad language we can talk about that. Saying he would like to commit sexual assault would be disqualifying on its own, but in any case what he actually said was that it was something he does "whenever I meet a beautiful woman." So, I guess the better comparison would be if you said "when my kids talk back I beat the shit out of them."
- m00n 10y ago
  Well, if you said instead, you killed several of your prior bosses and the widowed partners of some these were making public appearances in TV and you settled claims with some of them for undisclosed sums of money, yes, then I would maybe call the authorities or consider not voting you in the highest office.
  - slowmotiony 10y ago
    Yes but you see - he was voted in. He won.
    - m00n 10y ago
      Well, it's not such a big deal, apparently. Everybody looking the other way, when the boss touches the secretary. Good times!