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> You see how it is basically saying: You are are a sexist, misogynist, racist? Oh cry me a river. It's starting to look like your only debating tactic is "sto

by hamax 10y ago

> You see how it is basically saying: You are are a sexist, misogynist, racist? Oh cry me a river. It's starting to look like your only debating tactic is "stop oppressing me". You said it yourself that you voted for quoting "a racist, sexist, misogynist, xenophobe" because "One side is for freedom of speech, the other side is for controlling what you can say." How is floodyberrys post not a fair representation of your views?

late2part 10y ago
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masondixon 10y ago
There are errors in your argument, others agree as you have been down-voted. I will not respond.
ant6n 10y ago
It does seem like that alt-right has basically appropriated the anti-oppression-speech of feminists and other civil liberty advocates, to construct the appearance of a minority of oppressed white men. It's a very frustrating process to see, and it's even more frustrating to have to tip-toe around white males who victimize themselves, as if they are actual minorities with long histories of oppression, like females, black people, LGBT-folks, latinos, or Muslims in America. They've also appropriated the 'there is no absolute' truth idea, that is used to try to make people understand differing perceptions. It was used to try get people to accept different view points, basically something that liberals and hippies came up with in the 60s. Now it's been appropriate to further the post-truth politics. If there is no truth, why not always lie. The real frustrating part is that this conflict was totally unnecessary. Yes listening to feminists and black people can sometimes by hard to white males, it sometimes appears unfair and as if they want to 'reverse' the world. But overall, that's not the aim of these movements. And we (the white males) should really just give them the benefit of the doubt. We should listen. It hurts, but the conflict hurts them more. Instead, some of the people in a traditional position of privilege have successfully turned around the conversation, into "no, you should listen to us". And now this group of people, many of whom were traditionally democrats (even may have voted for Obama), now voted for Trump. They are the swing vote.
- masondixon 10y ago
  I cannot stand irrationality. I don't care who you are, what you look like, all we have is logic and reasoning. I am not going to give someone the benefit of the doubt. If it doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense. It is irrational because it caused them to lose control of the government. This is the tough love approach and will help them become stronger in the future. I don't think you realise how rare it is to find any kind of spokesperson for these groups who can make a good argument and debate someone else without resorting to calling someone a racist, sexist, etc. and deeming them not worthy of speaking to. They will grow up during the Trump years. The liberals only offer short-term comfort, that will hurt them in the long run.
  - ant6n 10y ago
    You do realize that people are falling over backwards to be polite to you. People are listening to you because out of intellectual curiosity, because they want to better understand the delusions of the alt-right. You sound like some sort of misguided 'red pill' type person who lives in a strange parallel phantasy world where privilege doesn't exist and where racism and sexism are just words used in 'name-calling'. Your patronizing 'tough love' argument is straight out of something like Uncle Tom's Cabin. You're hiding your overt sexism behind 'rationality'. You're denouncing the anger of the less privileged but are smug and unforgiving in considering their problems. You severely lack empathy. You are truly part of the problem.
    - masondixon 10y ago
      I care more about the less privileged than you do. You satisfy your own selfish desires thinking its empathy. You couldn't even make it through this comment without calling me sexist, and stating that you shouldn't have to listen to me, without making any arguments. Thank you for your ignorance, you are only hurting yourself.
  - ezy 10y ago
    The key to rational thought is not just logic and reasoning, because both rely on axioms and information. You need to make sure you're getting the correct data and proceeding from sound foundations. Thats where the skepticism comes in -- double and triple check your sources. I'm going to be straight here -- what are your sources? I mean try not to take this too defensively, but you pegged Reagan as a political outsider when arguing for trump. You think an investigation is the same as a conviction. You think that political correctness is the substantive issue difference between HRC and Trump. None of these things are true. In fact, they are so obviously not true that I have to wonder about your rationality.

by hamax 10y ago

late2part 10y ago

http://carlosmariscal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/logicalfallacies.pdf http://carlosmariscal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/logical...

masondixon 10y ago

There are errors in your argument, others agree as you have been down-voted. I will not respond.

ant6n 10y ago

It does seem like that alt-right has basically appropriated the anti-oppression-speech of feminists and other civil liberty advocates, to construct the appearance of a minority of oppressed white men. It's a very frustrating process to see, and it's even more frustrating to have to tip-toe around white males who victimize themselves, as if they are actual minorities with long histories of oppression, like females, black people, LGBT-folks, latinos, or Muslims in America. They've also appropriated the 'there is no absolute' truth idea, that is used to try to make people understand differing perceptions. It was used to try get people to accept different view points, basically something that liberals and hippies came up with in the 60s. Now it's been appropriate to further the post-truth politics. If there is no truth, why not always lie. The real frustrating part is that this conflict was totally unnecessary. Yes listening to feminists and black people can sometimes by hard to white males, it sometimes appears unfair and as if they want to 'reverse' the world. But overall, that's not the aim of these movements. And we (the white males) should really just give them the benefit of the doubt. We should listen. It hurts, but the conflict hurts them more. Instead, some of the people in a traditional position of privilege have successfully turned around the conversation, into "no, you should listen to us". And now this group of people, many of whom were traditionally democrats (even may have voted for Obama), now voted for Trump. They are the swing vote.

masondixon 10y ago
I cannot stand irrationality. I don't care who you are, what you look like, all we have is logic and reasoning. I am not going to give someone the benefit of the doubt. If it doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense. It is irrational because it caused them to lose control of the government. This is the tough love approach and will help them become stronger in the future. I don't think you realise how rare it is to find any kind of spokesperson for these groups who can make a good argument and debate someone else without resorting to calling someone a racist, sexist, etc. and deeming them not worthy of speaking to. They will grow up during the Trump years. The liberals only offer short-term comfort, that will hurt them in the long run.
- ant6n 10y ago
  You do realize that people are falling over backwards to be polite to you. People are listening to you because out of intellectual curiosity, because they want to better understand the delusions of the alt-right. You sound like some sort of misguided 'red pill' type person who lives in a strange parallel phantasy world where privilege doesn't exist and where racism and sexism are just words used in 'name-calling'. Your patronizing 'tough love' argument is straight out of something like Uncle Tom's Cabin. You're hiding your overt sexism behind 'rationality'. You're denouncing the anger of the less privileged but are smug and unforgiving in considering their problems. You severely lack empathy. You are truly part of the problem.
  - masondixon 10y ago
    I care more about the less privileged than you do. You satisfy your own selfish desires thinking its empathy. You couldn't even make it through this comment without calling me sexist, and stating that you shouldn't have to listen to me, without making any arguments. Thank you for your ignorance, you are only hurting yourself.
- ezy 10y ago
  The key to rational thought is not just logic and reasoning, because both rely on axioms and information. You need to make sure you're getting the correct data and proceeding from sound foundations. Thats where the skepticism comes in -- double and triple check your sources. I'm going to be straight here -- what are your sources? I mean try not to take this too defensively, but you pegged Reagan as a political outsider when arguing for trump. You think an investigation is the same as a conviction. You think that political correctness is the substantive issue difference between HRC and Trump. None of these things are true. In fact, they are so obviously not true that I have to wonder about your rationality.