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I don't understand why you've started throwing in words like "vitriol". See, I'm not an American, nor do I live there. I don't really watch American news, and w
by cyphax 10y ago
I don't understand why you've started throwing in words like "vitriol". See, I'm not an American, nor do I live there. I don't really watch American news, and what I say about Trump is based on his own words.
If this were about terrorism and not religion, he wouldn't want to close the border for muslims but for terrorists, I would presume?
Replacing Scalia with a less conservative judge would be a win for democrats but it's fair game to have a different opinion. For me, however, it is most certainly a reason not to like a Trump presidency (though it has absolutely zero influence on me personally, obviously).
Trump did support the Iraq-war, unless he was lying when he replied "Yeah I guess so" when he was asked the question. Furthermore, he proposed a war crime to solve terrorisme when he proposed to kill terrorist family members (again; in a phone interview) and engages in such anti-war speech as "We'll bomb the hell out of ISIS", which, I would say, is pretty much waging war (not that I think we should just let ISIS slide...). So I don't agree with the sentiment that he's anti-war. Hopefully he's only not pro-war, like Bush was.
I said "possibly rich businessman" -- which I cannot for the LIFE of me understand why you'd call those words "dripping in vitriol" -- because I personally find it very suspicious that on the one hand he boasts about how succesful and how rich he is, and on the other hand he keeps the evidence firmly hidden. You're free to not find that shady, obviously.
I'm sorry if you lost friends over your political preference; I would certainly not have been one of them, that I promise you. But I do think you're misreading me: I'm doing my very best to stay rational (indirectly at your own request) and polite, so it's really unnecessary to feel attacked or anything. You're very much _free_ to support Trump, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
- masondixon 10y ago> If this were about terrorism and not religion, he wouldn't want to close the border for muslims but for terrorists, I would presume? Something like 98% of suicide bombings were by muslims this year. And he said that it should be closed until we can vet them properly. Its a bad idea. And he refined it to muslims from countries with lots of terrorism. I mean...if you were part of stoning a women to death in Saudi Arabia...should we welcome you with open arms? If you come from a country where homosexuality is punishable by death...I really don't get why liberals want to let these people in, and then go and protest for them. If we are tougher at the border, then the ones who are here will live happier lives because people will stop suspecting them of being terrorists. Try talking to a liberal about an idea like that...no chance. > Trump did support the Iraq-war, unless he was lying when he replied "Yeah I guess so" when he was asked the question. Yes on Howard Stern. Far from a glowing endorsement. And he is on record against it just after it started. > I said "possibly rich businessman" -- which I cannot for the LIFE of me understand why you'd call those words "dripping in vitriol" -- because I personally find it very suspicious that on the one hand he boasts about how succesful and how rich he is, and on the other hand he keeps the evidence firmly hidden. You're free to not find that shady, obviously. Ok maybe I read it differently in my head. Its one of those things that is quite irrelevant, but the media deciding to push this narrative to discredit him. And if you only read an article in the news about it, its what you would think. When the story of Trumps fortune is incredibly long and complex and he has without question done incredibly well for himself. > I'm sorry if you lost friends over your political preference; It would not be worth losing friends over it - so I just nod my head and try to nudge them to a rationale position. Political preference is not what any of my friendships are based on. But I think for a lot of people, its becoming an integral part. Bonds forming at protests, etc.
- id 10y ago> Something like 98% of suicide bombings were by muslims this year. There have been 0 suicide bombings in the US this year. The last suicide bombing in the US was in 2005 (11 years ago), the perpetrator was not a muslim and he was the only person killed. He also had no terroristic background. > If we are tougher at the border, then the ones who are here will live happier lives because people will stop suspecting them of being terrorists. You should have never started suspecting them of being terrorists. Or do you suspect all young white men of being school shooters? That would be equally wrong.
- masondixon 10y ago> Something like 98% of suicide bombings were by muslims this year. I didn't say in the US. You added this refinement. On relevance, US foreign policy affects the world. > You should have never started suspecting them of being terrorists. I don't. But people will. You think a Clinton presidency suddenly makes everyone stop thinking things. Not everyone is like you and me.