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> I think the statement I quoted is an exaggeration. But none of your points explain why. Trump said terrible things, that he would commit war crimes, restric

by bduerst 10y ago

> I think the statement I quoted is an exaggeration. But none of your points explain why. Trump said terrible things, that he would commit war crimes, restrict the first amendment, he won't respect the election if he loses. He's praised dictators, denied climate change, committed charity fraud, stiffed 800+ small businesses, walks in on underage girls changing and brags about it. He lies about something one day and deflects attention away to blame someone else when called out on it. It's fascinating that he gets a pass on saying and doing these things. "It's an exaggeration." Personally, I think it's because he was a reality TV star. We expect celebrities to say and do ridiculous things, and then roll our eyes at it. Except he's president now, and he isn't acting.

Fjolsvith 10y ago
> ... he won't respect the election if he loses. You mean like all the people protesting against Trump?
- bduerst 10y ago
  > Deflecting Peaceful protesters aren't presidential candidates threatening to not respect the vote. How does that justify giving a pass to the terrible things Trump has said and done?
  - MichaelBurge 10y ago
    It wouldn't justify Trump doing it, but I'm curious if you supported blackballing Al Gore after he contested the 2000 election with a lawsuit. I've heard a lot of people complain about the Supreme Court, but rarely complain about Al Gore himself for contesting.
    - notfromhere 10y ago
      Al Gore contesting the Florida count with a 537 margin for victory is different than "if i don't win, it means its rigged"
- barretts 10y ago
  Don't be obtuse. College students painting banners is a far cry from a presidential candidate refusing to concede an election over imagined vote fraud. And there is a strong chance that's what Trump would have done.
  - leereeves 10y ago
    Protestors are doing much worse than "painting banners". Like hanging and beheading an effigy of Trump [0] ~~0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kht_qNBXzbU~~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kht_qNBXzbU~~ (wrong video) 0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpUvZLZ6axM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpUvZLZ6axM
    - justinschuh 10y ago
      That video was posted back in March, during the Republican primaries. I have no idea why you think it's related to the protests this week.
      - leereeves 10y ago
        My mistake, I was searching for an independent video quickly and linked the wrong one. Thanks for pointing that out. This is the incident from yesterday that I heard about and was searching for video of: > Heads roll in the streets of Los Angeles as a large Donald Trump effigy was set on fire by protesters the day after he was elected president. http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/11/10/donald-trump-effigy-burning-los-angeles-bts.cnn http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/11/10/donald-trump-e...
  - reitanqild 10y ago
    > College students painting banners If that was it then you were right. Even European newspapers who rooted for Clinton report looting and fires.
    - scaryspooky 10y ago
      I will partially excuse the protestors for that because in any big protest you will always draw people looking for an opportunity to just do something bad. However, with people like Joe Stump advocating violence I cannot believe all of the violence isn't random bad actors.
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- jmcmichael 10y ago
  These protests are more of the 'Fuck that guy!', and not the 'The elections were rigged, storm the White House!' kind that the right threatened.
actsasbuffoon 10y ago
Oh, I agree that Trump's politics are horrifying. Since I identified 4 groups of Trump voters, I'll try to explain why I think they stuck with him, even though he said terrible things. * Traditional republicans: A lot of them couldn't stand his rhetoric, but they're worried about the Supreme Court. I think a lot of these people felt horrible about voting for him, but they're playing the long game. * White supremacists: They loved his rhetoric, so no explanation is required. * Anti-corruption advocates: It might sound like a cop-out, but I'm blaming this one on the media. According to exit polls, 70% of people who thought both candidates were terrible ended up voting for Trump. I understand why a lot of people didn't like either of them, but this is a classic false equivalence. I think the media spent so much time talking about Hillary's emails that people started to think it was as bad as Trump's talk about nuking people, killing the families of suspected terrorists (war crime), bringing back torture (many troops won't like that), and so many other disqualifying things. * Working class people: Despite being stalwart democratic voters (this election notwithstanding), many of these people aren't very liberal. LGBTQ rights aren't something they think about much, and I don't think they're big on feminism, environmentalism, or animal rights. They're worried about their jobs, the health of their unions, and off-shoring. Trump promised to punish companies for sending work to other countries, and to gut environmental regulations for the sake of creating new unionized gas/coal jobs. Also, it's important to point out that voter turnout was terrible in this election. Trump got fewer votes than Mitt Romney did 4 years ago, but he won. Hillary severely underperformed Obama in almost every state. Roughly 50% of eligible voters exercised their constitutional right on Tuesday. 1 in 4 eligible voters went to the polls and voted for Trump, 1 in 4 voted for Hillary, and the other 2 didn't vote at all. That's the real story here. We failed to get people excited about voting for Hillary, so they stayed home.
- scaryspooky 10y ago
  Two minor points: Trump got more votes than Romney: http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/did-trump-actually-get-fewer-votes-than-mitt-romney/ http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/did-trump-actua... and http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/442086/donald-trumps-vote-totals-are-higher-we-think http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/442086/donald-trumps-vo... Clinton represents the status quo for corruption, as evidenced by the continuing questionable practices of the Clinton Foundation, and people who have been upset with the way politics work correctly and directly linked her with that behavior.
rayiner 10y ago
Trump gets a pass on those things for the same reason HRC got a pass on voting for the Iraq war,[1] or why JFK is still a liberal icon,[2]: party affiliation overcomes almost everything else. [1] The Iraq war was such a disaster, that when polled today the majority of Americans won't even admit that they supported the war in 2003: http://reason.com/poll/2014/10/16/poll-reveals-americans-supported-iraq-wa http://reason.com/poll/2014/10/16/poll-reveals-americans-sup.... [2] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2096770/JFK-took-virginity-White-House-intern-Mimi-Alford-19.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2096770/JFK-took-vir...

by bduerst 10y ago

Fjolsvith 10y ago

> ... he won't respect the election if he loses. You mean like all the people protesting against Trump?

bduerst 10y ago
> Deflecting Peaceful protesters aren't presidential candidates threatening to not respect the vote. How does that justify giving a pass to the terrible things Trump has said and done?
- MichaelBurge 10y ago
  It wouldn't justify Trump doing it, but I'm curious if you supported blackballing Al Gore after he contested the 2000 election with a lawsuit. I've heard a lot of people complain about the Supreme Court, but rarely complain about Al Gore himself for contesting.
  - notfromhere 10y ago
    Al Gore contesting the Florida count with a 537 margin for victory is different than "if i don't win, it means its rigged"
barretts 10y ago
Don't be obtuse. College students painting banners is a far cry from a presidential candidate refusing to concede an election over imagined vote fraud. And there is a strong chance that's what Trump would have done.
- leereeves 10y ago
  Protestors are doing much worse than "painting banners". Like hanging and beheading an effigy of Trump [0] ~~0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kht_qNBXzbU~~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kht_qNBXzbU~~ (wrong video) 0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpUvZLZ6axM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpUvZLZ6axM
  - justinschuh 10y ago
    That video was posted back in March, during the Republican primaries. I have no idea why you think it's related to the protests this week.
    - leereeves 10y ago
      My mistake, I was searching for an independent video quickly and linked the wrong one. Thanks for pointing that out. This is the incident from yesterday that I heard about and was searching for video of: > Heads roll in the streets of Los Angeles as a large Donald Trump effigy was set on fire by protesters the day after he was elected president. http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/11/10/donald-trump-effigy-burning-los-angeles-bts.cnn http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/11/10/donald-trump-e...
- reitanqild 10y ago
  > College students painting banners If that was it then you were right. Even European newspapers who rooted for Clinton report looting and fires.
  - scaryspooky 10y ago
    I will partially excuse the protestors for that because in any big protest you will always draw people looking for an opportunity to just do something bad. However, with people like Joe Stump advocating violence I cannot believe all of the violence isn't random bad actors.
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jmcmichael 10y ago
These protests are more of the 'Fuck that guy!', and not the 'The elections were rigged, storm the White House!' kind that the right threatened.

actsasbuffoon 10y ago

Oh, I agree that Trump's politics are horrifying. Since I identified 4 groups of Trump voters, I'll try to explain why I think they stuck with him, even though he said terrible things. * Traditional republicans: A lot of them couldn't stand his rhetoric, but they're worried about the Supreme Court. I think a lot of these people felt horrible about voting for him, but they're playing the long game. * White supremacists: They loved his rhetoric, so no explanation is required. * Anti-corruption advocates: It might sound like a cop-out, but I'm blaming this one on the media. According to exit polls, 70% of people who thought both candidates were terrible ended up voting for Trump. I understand why a lot of people didn't like either of them, but this is a classic false equivalence. I think the media spent so much time talking about Hillary's emails that people started to think it was as bad as Trump's talk about nuking people, killing the families of suspected terrorists (war crime), bringing back torture (many troops won't like that), and so many other disqualifying things. * Working class people: Despite being stalwart democratic voters (this election notwithstanding), many of these people aren't very liberal. LGBTQ rights aren't something they think about much, and I don't think they're big on feminism, environmentalism, or animal rights. They're worried about their jobs, the health of their unions, and off-shoring. Trump promised to punish companies for sending work to other countries, and to gut environmental regulations for the sake of creating new unionized gas/coal jobs. Also, it's important to point out that voter turnout was terrible in this election. Trump got fewer votes than Mitt Romney did 4 years ago, but he won. Hillary severely underperformed Obama in almost every state. Roughly 50% of eligible voters exercised their constitutional right on Tuesday. 1 in 4 eligible voters went to the polls and voted for Trump, 1 in 4 voted for Hillary, and the other 2 didn't vote at all. That's the real story here. We failed to get people excited about voting for Hillary, so they stayed home.

scaryspooky 10y ago
Two minor points: Trump got more votes than Romney: http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/did-trump-actually-get-fewer-votes-than-mitt-romney/ http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/did-trump-actua... and http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/442086/donald-trumps-vote-totals-are-higher-we-think http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/442086/donald-trumps-vo... Clinton represents the status quo for corruption, as evidenced by the continuing questionable practices of the Clinton Foundation, and people who have been upset with the way politics work correctly and directly linked her with that behavior.

rayiner 10y ago

Trump gets a pass on those things for the same reason HRC got a pass on voting for the Iraq war,[1] or why JFK is still a liberal icon,[2]: party affiliation overcomes almost everything else. [1] The Iraq war was such a disaster, that when polled today the majority of Americans won't even admit that they supported the war in 2003: http://reason.com/poll/2014/10/16/poll-reveals-americans-supported-iraq-wa http://reason.com/poll/2014/10/16/poll-reveals-americans-sup.... [2] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2096770/JFK-took-virginity-White-House-intern-Mimi-Alford-19.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2096770/JFK-took-vir...