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I'm tired of the idea that hicks and blue collar workers won the election for Trump. A majority of white male college graduate voters voted for Trump [0]. Clint

I'm tired of the idea that hicks and blue collar workers won the election for Trump. A majority of white male college graduate voters voted for Trump [0]. Clinton won less of the white female college graduate vote than Obama even after all of the Trump scandals. My take is that, sadly, there are a lot of so-called "elites" that care more about their own self-interest than social issues. In other words, people hate paying any amount of taxes regardless of where the money goes. One of the "dog whistles" that the media didn't pick up on was trump signaling that "hey, I'm rich too, I will lower your taxes if you vote for me". That being said, I am also sick of articles that say the Democratic party needs some reflection, introspection, etc. , It was an extremely close race. We did well but we didn't win. That is all. [0] http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-couldnt-win-over-white-women/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-couldnt-win-over...

rayiner 10y ago
Trump got about the same percentage of white votes as the last several Republicans, less in absolute terms because turnout was low.
awinder 10y ago
The Democratic Party hasn't been competitive in the house for 6 years, was only able to pick up 1 senate seat in a very unfriendly election, and now, they can't win the presidency. Republican governors outnumber democratic ones by nearly 2-1. Republican state houses outnumber democratic ones by over 2-1. I'm sorry -- what was the part of the Democratic Party platform that's really speaking to America again?
humanrebar 10y ago
> We did well but we didn't win. That is all. No campaign or party did well. If either were competent or wise, they would have won handily. This election was like Pat Buchanan running against Richard Nixon. I guess one of those two were bound to win if those are the options. Does that mean one side did well? Nope.
humanrebar 10y ago
> We did well but we didn't win. That is all. No campaign or party did well. If either were competent or wise, they would have won handily. This election was like Pat Buchanan running against Richard Nixon. I guess one of those two were bound to win if those are the options. Does that mean one side did well? Nope.
bduerst 10y ago
>I'm tired of the idea that hicks and blue collar workers won the election for Trump Except the article you link to confirms it - he won the White men non-college demographic 72 to 23. The article is talking about how (on a whole) the white demographic also voted for Trump, just not as much as the white uneducated demographic.
cjbprime 10y ago
You can be tired of it, but it's true. There was a 16% swing from Dem (last election) to Rep amongst people earning <$30k (mostly white). It was the largest demographic swing of any kind (race, gender, education, income) since the last election. https://twitter.com/bengoldacre/status/796356106952048644 https://twitter.com/bengoldacre/status/796356106952048644
mikeash 10y ago
You didn't do well. Doing well would have been getting 66+ million votes like Obama did in 2008 and 2012. Trump got fewer votes than either Romney or McCain, but still won because Clinton did too. Democrat numbers were down 10% over the last time around, in an era where a 5% margin of victory is considered gigantic. And all this while running against the most immoral, least qualified, and craziest candidate in living memory. If you think this qualifies as doing well, I really wonder what doing poorly would look like.
- ryanackley 10y ago
  Clinton won the popular vote. I mean short of winning, what else qualifies? I don't subscribe to the idea that the party in an election who received over half the vote is somehow falling apart at the seams. Pundits do this every time there is an election but in reality it's the swing of the pendulum. The parties and peoples feelings towards them evolve over time and power changes hands between the two parties. Does that mean you need to go cry in a corner and question your reality each time your party loses an election? No it does not.
  - mikeash 10y ago
    Winning the popular vote by a small margin, against the worst candidate anyone alive has ever seen, and not by enough to actually secure victory, is not "doing well" in my estimation. If you want to see what "doing well" would look like, see the results of the 2008 or 2012 elections. And what do you mean "over half the vote"? The current number according to Google has 48% going to Clinton. She got more than Trump, yes, but less than half. If getting 60 million votes qualifies as "doing well," then how do you describe getting nearly 70 million votes in 2008? Is losing almost 10 million votes in 8 years, while the electorate has grown substantially and demographics have shifted considerably in your favor, a sign that everything is fine?
    - ryanackley 10y ago
      The "worst candidate evah!" is obviously subjective because there are many many people who are very passionate about Trump. Because I see them on my Facebook feed and I saw them leading up to election day waving signs at major intersections. Again, the idea that people unenthusiastically moped down to the polls to cast their vote for a candidate they didn't want just doesn't line up with the facts.

rayiner 10y ago

Trump got about the same percentage of white votes as the last several Republicans, less in absolute terms because turnout was low.

awinder 10y ago

The Democratic Party hasn't been competitive in the house for 6 years, was only able to pick up 1 senate seat in a very unfriendly election, and now, they can't win the presidency. Republican governors outnumber democratic ones by nearly 2-1. Republican state houses outnumber democratic ones by over 2-1. I'm sorry -- what was the part of the Democratic Party platform that's really speaking to America again?

humanrebar 10y ago

> We did well but we didn't win. That is all. No campaign or party did well. If either were competent or wise, they would have won handily. This election was like Pat Buchanan running against Richard Nixon. I guess one of those two were bound to win if those are the options. Does that mean one side did well? Nope.

humanrebar 10y ago

bduerst 10y ago

>I'm tired of the idea that hicks and blue collar workers won the election for Trump Except the article you link to confirms it - he won the White men non-college demographic 72 to 23. The article is talking about how (on a whole) the white demographic also voted for Trump, just not as much as the white uneducated demographic.

cjbprime 10y ago

You can be tired of it, but it's true. There was a 16% swing from Dem (last election) to Rep amongst people earning <$30k (mostly white). It was the largest demographic swing of any kind (race, gender, education, income) since the last election. https://twitter.com/bengoldacre/status/796356106952048644 https://twitter.com/bengoldacre/status/796356106952048644

mikeash 10y ago

You didn't do well. Doing well would have been getting 66+ million votes like Obama did in 2008 and 2012. Trump got fewer votes than either Romney or McCain, but still won because Clinton did too. Democrat numbers were down 10% over the last time around, in an era where a 5% margin of victory is considered gigantic. And all this while running against the most immoral, least qualified, and craziest candidate in living memory. If you think this qualifies as doing well, I really wonder what doing poorly would look like.

ryanackley 10y ago
Clinton won the popular vote. I mean short of winning, what else qualifies? I don't subscribe to the idea that the party in an election who received over half the vote is somehow falling apart at the seams. Pundits do this every time there is an election but in reality it's the swing of the pendulum. The parties and peoples feelings towards them evolve over time and power changes hands between the two parties. Does that mean you need to go cry in a corner and question your reality each time your party loses an election? No it does not.
- mikeash 10y ago
  Winning the popular vote by a small margin, against the worst candidate anyone alive has ever seen, and not by enough to actually secure victory, is not "doing well" in my estimation. If you want to see what "doing well" would look like, see the results of the 2008 or 2012 elections. And what do you mean "over half the vote"? The current number according to Google has 48% going to Clinton. She got more than Trump, yes, but less than half. If getting 60 million votes qualifies as "doing well," then how do you describe getting nearly 70 million votes in 2008? Is losing almost 10 million votes in 8 years, while the electorate has grown substantially and demographics have shifted considerably in your favor, a sign that everything is fine?
  - ryanackley 10y ago
    The "worst candidate evah!" is obviously subjective because there are many many people who are very passionate about Trump. Because I see them on my Facebook feed and I saw them leading up to election day waving signs at major intersections. Again, the idea that people unenthusiastically moped down to the polls to cast their vote for a candidate they didn't want just doesn't line up with the facts.