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Embrace the power of "and", both can be true, except I'd quibble with disposable099 and say many of us, I would not be surprised if most, believed Trump could w
by hga 10y ago
Embrace the power of "and", both can be true, except I'd quibble with disposable099 and say many of us, I would not be surprised if most, believed Trump could win.
For me, that was through a combination of his refusing to play the game by the other side's rules (a restatement of disposable099's point) and how terribly awful a politician Hillary is. In fact, I go so far as to say she's an almost total failure in life, aside from graduating from the good schools she went to, the one good decision she made in life was to accept Bill's outstanding offer of marriage, everything successful in her life after law school flows from that.
To give you a hint of that, it's pretty obvious the reason she accepted and self-exiled to Arkansas in the 1970s was that between failing the D.C. Bar Exam and being terminated with extreme prejudice from the Watergate Investigating Committee, she had completely burned her potential future career in D.C./East Coast politics. There's lots more if you want more details, but, I can close with the obvious facts that she twice reached for the highest brass ring in US politics with serious campaigns and failed both times, to rather different sorts of people (weasel words since, for example, both Obama and Trump are master level trolls).
- zimpenfish 10y ago> being terminated with extreme prejudice from the Watergate Investigating Committee She wasn't fired from the WIC. http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/zeifman.asp http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/zeifman.asp
- hga 10y agoEchoing my point at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12930056 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12930056 when you cite a totally biased when it comes to politics site like Snopes, our response is a simple "We Don't Care." But, tell me, why did she exile herself to 1970s Arkansas? As someone who grew up 3 counties north of the state, I can assure you back then it was considered to be a massively worse place than my native Missouri, and the very close states of Kansas and Oklahoma. There was something qualitatively different about it, in a bad way. Note that she went from working on the Watergate Committee, which was the highest pinnacle of the Left in the '70s aside from perhaps the Carter Administration years later, to being a partner at a politically well connected law firm in Arkansas, one no one ever heard of outside the state before the '90s. What's your explanation for her move? Surely she could have tried again to pass the D.C. bar exam.
- zimpenfish 10y agoI was just correcting your factually incorrect assertion that she was terminated from the WIC - she wasn't. I have no comment on her reasons for leaving Arkansas or anything else.
- hga 10y agoAnd I'm saying that when you cite Snopes on a political issue to "prove" your claimed fact, you're admitting up front that it's nothing of the sort. That sort of trick just doesn't work any more, which is, of course, the whole reason we're having this general discussion in the first place.
- zimpenfish 10y agoI'm confused - what about the Snopes article is "nothing of the sort"? They cite sources, quote those sources, and provide good evidence that she wasn't fired. Do you have evidence to the contrary other than Zeifman's (self-contradictory) claims?
- jalfresi 10y agoI'm confused... isn't saying "Hillary was fired with extreme prejudice from the WIC" a political issue? You're trying to make a political point by using a mistruth as evidence of the fact? Could you explain a bit clearer?
- hga 10y agoSorry if I wasn't sufficiently clear: The claim that Hillary was fired with extreme prejudice from the WIC is political. My claim that citing Snopes claim to the contrary---it being a political issue---does not make it a mistruth to me, rather, you might say it's an example of the maxim that "nothing is confirmed until officially denied". That, in fact, is pretty much how we on the Alt Right† nowadays treat anything political on Snopes. †For the purposes of this discussion, the Alt Right are those on the right who's response to being called racist is "We Don't Care".
- PhantomGremlin 10y agoshe's an almost total failure in life Not quite true. She was an outstanding commodities futures trader. She deposited $1,000 in cash into a trading account, and in ten months worked the account up to near $100,000. So at least she has that skill to fall back on. Or, maybe, just maybe, it was simply a bribe paid to the wife of the Governor of Arkansas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_cattle_futures_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_cattle_futures_...
- hga 10y agoAs explained in a letter to the editor in The Wall Street Journal, a tax deductible bribe, the way the scam works is that someone at the trading firm violates the wall between the front and back offices. They place equal and opposite trades, and then prior to settlement, they assign their bribee the winning trade, and themselves the losing one, and the latter can be deducted against gains for the next few years. And of course, if she wasn't the Governor's wife, but you of course implicitly acknowledge that. For that matter, it was also said that that sort of trading back then was dangerously leveraged for thinly capitalized neophytes, you could lose a lot more money than what you put into your trade. I seem to remember independently of this, that at worst case you could end up taking delivery of what you wagered on. Now, my family with 3 boys bought a half-side of beef at a time right at that time, but....