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What you say is exactly what happened. If people wanted so much not to elect Trump, they could vote for Sanders, and I am somehow sure Sanders would won the pre

What you say is exactly what happened. If people wanted so much not to elect Trump, they could vote for Sanders, and I am somehow sure Sanders would won the presidential elections. And in my opinion, he would be best bet for America that is shaken by many things right now. Seeing wealthy, white people, from America (mostly artists and to some extent engineers), crying all over the internet how everything is doomed and unfair is making me nausea. Guess what? My country was destroyed by provoked civil war and NATO bombing after that. (Bill Clinton played big part in that) After that we have chosen new government, everything was going to be better, new economy, new young smart people, then our prime minister (who was the bastion of those changes and reforms) got assassinated. And after that? After that we got same shitty government that was during the 90s (right/extremists, radical party), and now they "are" pro-EU oriented. So much bullshit, country elected the party that was the worst possible choice, that nobody from circles of my family, friends and people I know didn't even dare to think of as a leading party. And it happened. And guess what, you live with it! How? Well, country is people, not one man. Sure it is bad, it hurts, but you live your life following your own internal compass, not somebody else's.

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> My country was destroyed by provoked civil war and NATO bombing after that. Provoked civil war and NATO bombing? I assume you're talking about the former Yugoslavia. Let's review what exactly happened there leading up to the civil war: 1988: * Yugoslavia is still in one piece, but economic conditions in Serbia are deteriorating and resentment is high among Serbians against the more Western and economically successful republics of Slovenia and Croatia. * Serbian emigré leader Momčilo Đujić names Vojislav Šešelj as his deputy. Đujić marching orders him to Šešelj are to "expel all Croats, Albanians and other foreign elements from the holy Serb ground". * Slobodan Milošević, a smalltime Serbian government functionary, gives a speech to a group of Kosovo Serbs, pledging that "no one will beat them". The speech aired on primetime and Milošević gained instant and massive popularity in Serbia as a strongman protector. * Milošević then proceeds to make a series of fiery, nationalist speeches to vast crowds of Serbians, heightening fears in Croatia and Slovenia. 1990: * With the Croatian and Slovenian contigents fearful of the Milošević firebrand, the Yugoslav communist party dissolves. * Democratic elections are held, with the winning party HDZ (Croatian) offering the vice-presidential slot to a Serbian party, but they refuse. * Croatia Serbs then begin a rebellion against the new Yugoslav government, with low-level conflicts increasing for the rest of the year. 1991: * Slovenia holds a referendum on independence from Yugoslavia, and almost 90% of the population votes for independence. * Seeing the rising ethnic violence between rebelling ethnic Serbs and Croats in neighboring Croatia, Slovenia declares independence. Croatia declares independence soon afterwards. * The Serb-led Yugoslav National Army (JNA) attempts to take back Slovenia but is defeated in the 10-day war. * However, the JNA meets with greater "success" in Croatia alongside the local Croatian Serb forces, tipping off a lengthy and deadly civil war in Croatia that eventually consumes neighboring Bosnia, where Serb forces will attempt genocide against the mostly secular Bosnian Muslims. Years later (and after a "peace" lasting a few years), NATO, having done little in the face of the Bosnian genocide, decides to act when Serbia starts a similar offensive against the Kosovar Albanians. So tell me, by whom was this civil war provoked? Not a fan of the Clintons, but Bill Clinton wasn't even president when your country blew up. Sadly, in many ways, the situation in the Rust Belt vis-a-vis the booming West and East coast economies reminds me a little too much of the situation in economically depressed Serbian vis-a-vis Slovenia and Croatia, and the focus on the "other" of Milosevic reminds me a little too much of Trump's focus on the "other". Both are strongman authoritarians, with strong populist followings that are/were comprised in a part by extreme nationalists. The more I read history the more I am fearful for my country's future. I also would have preferred Sanders to Trump or Clinton, but I'm not kidding myself: Trump and a certain core of his followers pose a threat to the future of this republic.

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> My country was destroyed by provoked civil war and NATO bombing after that. Provoked civil war and NATO bombing? I assume you're talking about the former Yugoslavia. Let's review what exactly happened there leading up to the civil war: 1988: * Yugoslavia is still in one piece, but economic conditions in Serbia are deteriorating and resentment is high among Serbians against the more Western and economically successful republics of Slovenia and Croatia. * Serbian emigré leader Momčilo Đujić names Vojislav Šešelj as his deputy. Đujić marching orders him to Šešelj are to "expel all Croats, Albanians and other foreign elements from the holy Serb ground". * Slobodan Milošević, a smalltime Serbian government functionary, gives a speech to a group of Kosovo Serbs, pledging that "no one will beat them". The speech aired on primetime and Milošević gained instant and massive popularity in Serbia as a strongman protector. * Milošević then proceeds to make a series of fiery, nationalist speeches to vast crowds of Serbians, heightening fears in Croatia and Slovenia. 1990: * With the Croatian and Slovenian contigents fearful of the Milošević firebrand, the Yugoslav communist party dissolves. * Democratic elections are held, with the winning party HDZ (Croatian) offering the vice-presidential slot to a Serbian party, but they refuse. * Croatia Serbs then begin a rebellion against the new Yugoslav government, with low-level conflicts increasing for the rest of the year. 1991: * Slovenia holds a referendum on independence from Yugoslavia, and almost 90% of the population votes for independence. * Seeing the rising ethnic violence between rebelling ethnic Serbs and Croats in neighboring Croatia, Slovenia declares independence. Croatia declares independence soon afterwards. * The Serb-led Yugoslav National Army (JNA) attempts to take back Slovenia but is defeated in the 10-day war. * However, the JNA meets with greater "success" in Croatia alongside the local Croatian Serb forces, tipping off a lengthy and deadly civil war in Croatia that eventually consumes neighboring Bosnia, where Serb forces will attempt genocide against the mostly secular Bosnian Muslims. Years later (and after a "peace" lasting a few years), NATO, having done little in the face of the Bosnian genocide, decides to act when Serbia starts a similar offensive against the Kosovar Albanians. So tell me, by whom was this civil war provoked? Not a fan of the Clintons, but Bill Clinton wasn't even president when your country blew up. Sadly, in many ways, the situation in the Rust Belt vis-a-vis the booming West and East coast economies reminds me a little too much of the situation in economically depressed Serbian vis-a-vis Slovenia and Croatia, and the focus on the "other" of Milosevic reminds me a little too much of Trump's focus on the "other". Both are strongman authoritarians, with strong populist followings that are/were comprised in a part by extreme nationalists. The more I read history the more I am fearful for my country's future. I also would have preferred Sanders to Trump or Clinton, but I'm not kidding myself: Trump and a certain core of his followers pose a threat to the future of this republic.