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>The modern left finds it more virtuous to hire a wealthy black man or a wealthy white woman than to hire a poor white man. Rural America knows. Your comment i

>The modern left finds it more virtuous to hire a wealthy black man or a wealthy white woman than to hire a poor white man. Rural America knows. Your comment is just as vitriolic and uninformed as the article's author. You complain, rightly so, about Trump supporters being unfairly characterized as uneducated, toothless, incestuous rubes while also generalizing the the modern left. Criticize the author instead if assuming that he speaks for the entirety of people who didnt vote for Trump.

leereeves 10y ago
That comment described an attitude that reaches the very top of the modern left, as the many accusations of sexism against anyone who didn't vote for Clinton show. Identity politics means judging someone first and foremost by their race, gender, and sexuality. That's the attitude that leads many to "find it more virtuous to hire a wealthy black man or a wealthy white woman than to hire a poor white man".
- eganist 10y ago
  You'd be correct if identity politics was what it was. Instead, most threads discussing the Clinton loss describe a class of people who are relegated to corners of the country with inadequate education and dying industries. It's that combination which leads voters in states such as Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to ignore the hatred, the vitriol, the proven lack of business success, and the lack of government leadership in hopes of changing the status quo as it relates to them. In summary: nearly 50% of voters chose to prioritize personal gain over human dignity. (I voted for Clinton, but I consider myself solidly independent of any particular party.) ••• I have no interest in continuing the thread, though, so feel free to get in the last word.
  - leereeves 10y ago
    Identity politics is central to the modern Democratic platform and Hillary's platform in particular. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/womens-rights-and-opportunity/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/womens-rights-and-oppo... https://www.hillaryclinton.com/page/latinos-for-hillary/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/page/latinos-for-hillary/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/lgbt-equality/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/lgbt-equality/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/racial-justice/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/racial-justice/
    - soundwave106 10y ago
      It unfortunately goes both ways, which is why Donald's talk about walls and banning Muslims worked. (And I'm not disagreeing with you here, you are right that the left has plenty of tribal politics, but it's an issue on the right as well.) People react more vigorously to tribalism than to so-called boring topics like, say, investing in infrastructure or increasing R&D. This sort of polarization is sort of worrisome in one sense; trust is needed to cohesively run a society. (http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21705831-new-technologies-will-make-society-richer-cultivating-trust-believing-seeing http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21705831...) If we're becoming a low-trust nation overall, that's not terribly good.
  - mseebach 10y ago
    > In summary: nearly 50% of voters chose to prioritize personal gain over human dignity. If you keep telling yourself that's what this election was truly about, Trump is already halfway to his second term.
- crdoconnor 10y ago
  >That comment described an attitude that reaches the very top of the modern left, as the many accusations of sexism against anyone who didn't vote for Clinton show. The modern left voted for, donated to and campaigned for Bernie, who also had the accusations of sexism slung at him. That was the establishment lashing out. They also tested the anti-semitic accusations, though no doubt they fell flat because he was Jewish: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262007/bernie-sanders-and-his-left-wing-anti-semites-daniel-greenfield http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262007/bernie-sanders-and-hi... https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/06/bernie-sanders-anti-semite.php https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/06/bernie-sander... Pretty much every anti-establishment figure gets these attacks.
  - leereeves 10y ago
    I supported Bernie too. As you said, he had allegations of sexism (and of being the "white people's candidate") thrown at him. Our side of the left lost the election that defined the platform for this election.
  - TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
    We've seen the same accusations against Corbyn in the UK. It's exactly the same playbook - he's sexist, he's anti-semitic, he supports terrorists. It should be obvious by now that the last thing the establishment wants is a genuine anti-establishment candidate. And also, that any candidate who wins cannot truly be anti-establishment. If Trump was a genuine threat to the establishment, he'd never have had a prayer.
    - ptaipale 10y ago
      With Corbyn, I don't think anyone needs a "playbook" to be worried about him siding with anti-Semitic and terrorist-supporting figures, and for things like working for Press TV (Iranian government). That's not anti-establishment, it's just aligning with a different kind of establishment (the ayatollas).
- trdrake 10y ago
  "Not voting for Clinton" is not what is leading to accusations of sexism. It's the voting for two old guys with documented - and often blatantly related - sexist attitudes as well as policy goals.
  - leereeves 10y ago
    I assume you mean abortion in particular, but many women do want to protect the lives of the unborn. On that issue, both genders are split. And... > 538: Clinton Couldn’t Win Over White Women > Preliminary exit poll results show that ... Clinton lost the votes of white women overall and struggled to win women voters without a college education in states that could have propelled her to victory. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-couldnt-win-over-white-women/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-couldnt-win-over...
- yxhuvud 10y ago
  Why on earth do you think voting for Trump is not voting for identity politics? It is just the identity of a different (whiter) set of people. That is a big reason Trump didn't win among colored people in any state.
  - leereeves 10y ago
    What did Trump say about Latino citizens, or black citizens, or gay people, that makes you feel that way?
    - nkassis 10y ago
      You can find his own words but he has said immigrants from mexico were rapist and murderers but some are good and repeated some. Talk about black voters as if they all live in inner city ghettos were walking in the wrong part of town will get you shot. Lauded stop and frisk a measure that was show to lead to racial profiling of African Americans. Selected a VP that believe conversion therapy (or some form of it) is a good way to cure homosexuality. This is a sample.
      - leereeves 10y ago
        His exact words are important, to prevent misinterpreting him or taking his statements out of context. Do you think you could find the words you mean? (I could only guess at what you mean.) > You can find his own words but he has said immigrants from mexico were rapist and murderers but some are good and repeated some. That was a comment about illegal immigrants, many of whom are rapists, both immigrants themselves and the people who bring immigrants to America. 80% Of Central American Women, Girls Are Raped Crossing Into The U.S. ... Rape can be perpetrated by anyone along the way, including guides, fellow migrants, bandits or government officials [0] http://fusion.net/story/17321/is-rape-the-price-to-pay-for-migrant-women-chasing-the-american-dream/ http://fusion.net/story/17321/is-rape-the-price-to-pay-for-m... > Talk about black voters as if they all live in inner city ghettos were walking in the wrong part of town will get you shot. I don't know what you're referring to here. > Lauded stop and frisk a measure that was show to lead to racial profiling of African Americans. His exact words are important here. What did he say? > Selected a VP that believe conversion therapy (or some form of it) is a good way to cure homosexuality. I agree Pence is terrible, but I've gotten used to terrible vice presidents. It's a powerless position that is usually a political dead end.
- FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
  > That's the attitude that leads many to "find it more virtuous to hire a wealthy black man or a wealthy white woman than to hire a poor white man This is ridiculous on its face. The comparison is nonsensical. If I'm hiring someone for a job, I'm going to pay them the same wage so they're going to be roughly at the same income level. Also, that's not true. For example, I'm a black man with a white barber. Why? Because he cuts my hair better than anyone else. > Identity politics means judging someone first and foremost by their race, gender, and sexuality. Funny. When I was taking part in various equality movements, the whole point was to NOT judge someone based on their race, gender, or sexuality. Looking past the exterior husk and judging someone on the content of their character was the point. I still don't like most people. However, it's not because they are part of some particular group, but because I just find something off-putting towards that particular person and I won't generalize my distaste to a whole group of individuals. Amongst friends, I make fun of every group under the sun. Racial jokes, female jokes, I throw around racial slurs amongst friends as well. Some of my white friends greet me by saying 'What's up nigga." I'm pretty colorful with my language as well. It may surprise you, but a lot of us grew up with the sticks and stones may break bones, but words never hurt mentality. For me, words only have the power that you give them. We're not all stereotypical white knight, social justice warriors seeking safe spaces and stifling dissent on college campuses. I'm not going to twitter shame you for making a blonde joke. If you can't look past your own biases and judge people on their own merits rather than taking lazy mental shortcuts, what hope is there? I never called Trump supporters sexist. I called Trump sexist.
  - leereeves 10y ago
    Then I'm with you. That's the attitude I'd like to see from the left. But it's not the attitude of so many who did call people sexist for voting for Trump, and of Clinton herself who said half of Trump's supporters were "deplorable". I hope people like you and me can take back the left from "stereotypical white knight, social justice warriors seeking safe spaces and stifling dissent on college campuses". (And the quote you found ridiculous wasn't from me, but I thought the author meant from a wealthy background vs a poor background.)

leereeves 10y ago

That comment described an attitude that reaches the very top of the modern left, as the many accusations of sexism against anyone who didn't vote for Clinton show. Identity politics means judging someone first and foremost by their race, gender, and sexuality. That's the attitude that leads many to "find it more virtuous to hire a wealthy black man or a wealthy white woman than to hire a poor white man".

eganist 10y ago
You'd be correct if identity politics was what it was. Instead, most threads discussing the Clinton loss describe a class of people who are relegated to corners of the country with inadequate education and dying industries. It's that combination which leads voters in states such as Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to ignore the hatred, the vitriol, the proven lack of business success, and the lack of government leadership in hopes of changing the status quo as it relates to them. In summary: nearly 50% of voters chose to prioritize personal gain over human dignity. (I voted for Clinton, but I consider myself solidly independent of any particular party.) ••• I have no interest in continuing the thread, though, so feel free to get in the last word.
- leereeves 10y ago
  Identity politics is central to the modern Democratic platform and Hillary's platform in particular. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/womens-rights-and-opportunity/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/womens-rights-and-oppo... https://www.hillaryclinton.com/page/latinos-for-hillary/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/page/latinos-for-hillary/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/lgbt-equality/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/lgbt-equality/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/racial-justice/ https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/racial-justice/
  - soundwave106 10y ago
    It unfortunately goes both ways, which is why Donald's talk about walls and banning Muslims worked. (And I'm not disagreeing with you here, you are right that the left has plenty of tribal politics, but it's an issue on the right as well.) People react more vigorously to tribalism than to so-called boring topics like, say, investing in infrastructure or increasing R&D. This sort of polarization is sort of worrisome in one sense; trust is needed to cohesively run a society. (http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21705831-new-technologies-will-make-society-richer-cultivating-trust-believing-seeing http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21705831...) If we're becoming a low-trust nation overall, that's not terribly good.
- mseebach 10y ago
  > In summary: nearly 50% of voters chose to prioritize personal gain over human dignity. If you keep telling yourself that's what this election was truly about, Trump is already halfway to his second term.
crdoconnor 10y ago
>That comment described an attitude that reaches the very top of the modern left, as the many accusations of sexism against anyone who didn't vote for Clinton show. The modern left voted for, donated to and campaigned for Bernie, who also had the accusations of sexism slung at him. That was the establishment lashing out. They also tested the anti-semitic accusations, though no doubt they fell flat because he was Jewish: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262007/bernie-sanders-and-his-left-wing-anti-semites-daniel-greenfield http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/262007/bernie-sanders-and-hi... https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/06/bernie-sanders-anti-semite.php https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/06/bernie-sander... Pretty much every anti-establishment figure gets these attacks.
- leereeves 10y ago
  I supported Bernie too. As you said, he had allegations of sexism (and of being the "white people's candidate") thrown at him. Our side of the left lost the election that defined the platform for this election.
- TheOtherHobbes 10y ago
  We've seen the same accusations against Corbyn in the UK. It's exactly the same playbook - he's sexist, he's anti-semitic, he supports terrorists. It should be obvious by now that the last thing the establishment wants is a genuine anti-establishment candidate. And also, that any candidate who wins cannot truly be anti-establishment. If Trump was a genuine threat to the establishment, he'd never have had a prayer.
  - ptaipale 10y ago
    With Corbyn, I don't think anyone needs a "playbook" to be worried about him siding with anti-Semitic and terrorist-supporting figures, and for things like working for Press TV (Iranian government). That's not anti-establishment, it's just aligning with a different kind of establishment (the ayatollas).
trdrake 10y ago
"Not voting for Clinton" is not what is leading to accusations of sexism. It's the voting for two old guys with documented - and often blatantly related - sexist attitudes as well as policy goals.
- leereeves 10y ago
  I assume you mean abortion in particular, but many women do want to protect the lives of the unborn. On that issue, both genders are split. And... > 538: Clinton Couldn’t Win Over White Women > Preliminary exit poll results show that ... Clinton lost the votes of white women overall and struggled to win women voters without a college education in states that could have propelled her to victory. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-couldnt-win-over-white-women/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-couldnt-win-over...
yxhuvud 10y ago
Why on earth do you think voting for Trump is not voting for identity politics? It is just the identity of a different (whiter) set of people. That is a big reason Trump didn't win among colored people in any state.
- leereeves 10y ago
  What did Trump say about Latino citizens, or black citizens, or gay people, that makes you feel that way?
  - nkassis 10y ago
    You can find his own words but he has said immigrants from mexico were rapist and murderers but some are good and repeated some. Talk about black voters as if they all live in inner city ghettos were walking in the wrong part of town will get you shot. Lauded stop and frisk a measure that was show to lead to racial profiling of African Americans. Selected a VP that believe conversion therapy (or some form of it) is a good way to cure homosexuality. This is a sample.
    - leereeves 10y ago
      His exact words are important, to prevent misinterpreting him or taking his statements out of context. Do you think you could find the words you mean? (I could only guess at what you mean.) > You can find his own words but he has said immigrants from mexico were rapist and murderers but some are good and repeated some. That was a comment about illegal immigrants, many of whom are rapists, both immigrants themselves and the people who bring immigrants to America. 80% Of Central American Women, Girls Are Raped Crossing Into The U.S. ... Rape can be perpetrated by anyone along the way, including guides, fellow migrants, bandits or government officials [0] http://fusion.net/story/17321/is-rape-the-price-to-pay-for-migrant-women-chasing-the-american-dream/ http://fusion.net/story/17321/is-rape-the-price-to-pay-for-m... > Talk about black voters as if they all live in inner city ghettos were walking in the wrong part of town will get you shot. I don't know what you're referring to here. > Lauded stop and frisk a measure that was show to lead to racial profiling of African Americans. His exact words are important here. What did he say? > Selected a VP that believe conversion therapy (or some form of it) is a good way to cure homosexuality. I agree Pence is terrible, but I've gotten used to terrible vice presidents. It's a powerless position that is usually a political dead end.
FullMtlAlcoholc 10y ago
> That's the attitude that leads many to "find it more virtuous to hire a wealthy black man or a wealthy white woman than to hire a poor white man This is ridiculous on its face. The comparison is nonsensical. If I'm hiring someone for a job, I'm going to pay them the same wage so they're going to be roughly at the same income level. Also, that's not true. For example, I'm a black man with a white barber. Why? Because he cuts my hair better than anyone else. > Identity politics means judging someone first and foremost by their race, gender, and sexuality. Funny. When I was taking part in various equality movements, the whole point was to NOT judge someone based on their race, gender, or sexuality. Looking past the exterior husk and judging someone on the content of their character was the point. I still don't like most people. However, it's not because they are part of some particular group, but because I just find something off-putting towards that particular person and I won't generalize my distaste to a whole group of individuals. Amongst friends, I make fun of every group under the sun. Racial jokes, female jokes, I throw around racial slurs amongst friends as well. Some of my white friends greet me by saying 'What's up nigga." I'm pretty colorful with my language as well. It may surprise you, but a lot of us grew up with the sticks and stones may break bones, but words never hurt mentality. For me, words only have the power that you give them. We're not all stereotypical white knight, social justice warriors seeking safe spaces and stifling dissent on college campuses. I'm not going to twitter shame you for making a blonde joke. If you can't look past your own biases and judge people on their own merits rather than taking lazy mental shortcuts, what hope is there? I never called Trump supporters sexist. I called Trump sexist.
- leereeves 10y ago
  Then I'm with you. That's the attitude I'd like to see from the left. But it's not the attitude of so many who did call people sexist for voting for Trump, and of Clinton herself who said half of Trump's supporters were "deplorable". I hope people like you and me can take back the left from "stereotypical white knight, social justice warriors seeking safe spaces and stifling dissent on college campuses". (And the quote you found ridiculous wasn't from me, but I thought the author meant from a wealthy background vs a poor background.)