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But I think the point is the user should decide if they want this bloat not Microsoft. I agree I would never use kaspersky or norton or any other system like th

But I think the point is the user should decide if they want this bloat not Microsoft. I agree I would never use kaspersky or norton or any other system like this, but there are people who do want to use them. It's the individuals choice to use these systems, not Microsofts. But this is the model Microsoft are going towards and if we don't like it, lets stop using and promoting them.

creshal 10y ago
Sure, Windows 10 is a trainwreck. But that's no news, and antivirus solutions have been bloated shit for much longer than that.
roryisok 10y ago
> the user should decide if they want this bloat not Microsoft The average windows user hasn't a clue whether a piece of software is bloat, or really important One of the most common issues I come across when fixing PCs of friends or relatives is "my antivirus thingy says I need to buy it or I'll get viruses" and my solution is always the same: uninstall whatever version of Kaspersky, or Norton or AVG shipped with the machine and replace it with Defender/Essentials, which just works, and more importantly, is practically invisible while doing it. Frankly, the tactics used by AV companies to try and scare users into buying their software are downright immoral. Microsoft is losing out to Apple, who have no qualms about deciding what you can and can't have on their platform (Flash anyone?). From a marketing point of view I can definitely understand why they would do this.
- raverbashing 10y ago
  Yes For every legitimate product/service on Windows platform MS has to fight a tsunami of crap, which reduces battery life, prevents shut down/sleep, increases startup time, etc, etc Especially with sw breaking between versions (even from major vendors) because they never followed best practices The fighting battle he mentions is also being fought by MS, against a lot of enemies as well
gpderetta 10y ago
Many people do not really choose, but get these alternate AVs installed by sneaky opt-outs together with their mouse mat drivers (!).

creshal 10y ago

Sure, Windows 10 is a trainwreck. But that's no news, and antivirus solutions have been bloated shit for much longer than that.

roryisok 10y ago

> the user should decide if they want this bloat not Microsoft The average windows user hasn't a clue whether a piece of software is bloat, or really important One of the most common issues I come across when fixing PCs of friends or relatives is "my antivirus thingy says I need to buy it or I'll get viruses" and my solution is always the same: uninstall whatever version of Kaspersky, or Norton or AVG shipped with the machine and replace it with Defender/Essentials, which just works, and more importantly, is practically invisible while doing it. Frankly, the tactics used by AV companies to try and scare users into buying their software are downright immoral. Microsoft is losing out to Apple, who have no qualms about deciding what you can and can't have on their platform (Flash anyone?). From a marketing point of view I can definitely understand why they would do this.

raverbashing 10y ago
Yes For every legitimate product/service on Windows platform MS has to fight a tsunami of crap, which reduces battery life, prevents shut down/sleep, increases startup time, etc, etc Especially with sw breaking between versions (even from major vendors) because they never followed best practices The fighting battle he mentions is also being fought by MS, against a lot of enemies as well

gpderetta 10y ago

Many people do not really choose, but get these alternate AVs installed by sneaky opt-outs together with their mouse mat drivers (!).