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Such a comment betrays an incredibly unsophisticated understanding of the issues being discussed. Perhaps a revisit to McLuhan's maxim would be enlightening: h

by lingben 10y ago

Such a comment betrays an incredibly unsophisticated understanding of the issues being discussed. Perhaps a revisit to McLuhan's maxim would be enlightening: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_medium_is_the_message https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko6J9v1C9zE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko6J9v1C9zE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoCrx0scCkM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoCrx0scCkM

emodendroket 10y ago
Perhaps you could avail yourself of some of your erudition and explain what relationship these three links have to your objection.
- lingben 10y ago
  https://www.fastcoexist.com/3061574/the-new-nationalism-of-brexit-and-trump-is-a-product-of-the-digital-age https://www.fastcoexist.com/3061574/the-new-nationalism-of-b...
  - emodendroket 10y ago
    Brexit and Trump and Syriza and Bernie and all the rest of it point to the collapse of the middle class across the industrialized world more than anything else.
    - enraged_camel 10y ago
      The middle class is doing fine. It's the working class that has been suffering, and they are the ones who voted for Trump in overwhelming numbers in swing states.
      - emodendroket 10y ago
        Sure, whichever. The terms are imprecise and many of the people we're talking about probably could have reasonably considered themselves middle-class in the past.
  - gozur88 10y ago
    It has less to do with "the digital age" and more to do with governments ignoring large numbers of voters. This is what's supposed to happen when the ruling class gets out of touch.
    - linkregister 10y ago
      The idea of a unified "ruling class" is laughable. The current president is constantly at odds with the political party that controls the Senate and the House of Representatives. I also disagree with the notion that most congressmen are out of touch with their voters. Each individual congressman is pursuing the agenda he or she was voted into office by his or her constituents. An example: some constituents want to repeal Obamacare while those in other districts want to preserve it. Each set is affected differently so it is reasonable for different districts to have different opinions. Deadlock is a feature of this Republic; the founders considered it to be superior to a tyranny of the majority over minority interests.
      - emodendroket 10y ago
        Of course there are multiple elements of the ruling class with different interests. But I think it's also safe to say there are a lot of issues where Republicans and Democrats are in complete agreement and their constituents are not.
        linkregister 10y ago
        What would be an example of one of these issues?
        gozur88 10y ago
        Immigration.
        emodendroket 10y ago
        How to handle Wall Street post-meltdown or various military ventures seem like the most glaring examples to me.
mememachine 10y ago
You've got it backwards. People imbue meaning into the medium. Also, saying the comment you replied to is "poor understanding" is both not supported by anything you shared, since your argument is as factual as theirs, and obnoxious. Keep it to yourself, please.

by lingben 10y ago

emodendroket 10y ago

Perhaps you could avail yourself of some of your erudition and explain what relationship these three links have to your objection.

lingben 10y ago
https://www.fastcoexist.com/3061574/the-new-nationalism-of-brexit-and-trump-is-a-product-of-the-digital-age https://www.fastcoexist.com/3061574/the-new-nationalism-of-b...
- emodendroket 10y ago
  Brexit and Trump and Syriza and Bernie and all the rest of it point to the collapse of the middle class across the industrialized world more than anything else.
  - enraged_camel 10y ago
    The middle class is doing fine. It's the working class that has been suffering, and they are the ones who voted for Trump in overwhelming numbers in swing states.
    - emodendroket 10y ago
      Sure, whichever. The terms are imprecise and many of the people we're talking about probably could have reasonably considered themselves middle-class in the past.
- gozur88 10y ago
  It has less to do with "the digital age" and more to do with governments ignoring large numbers of voters. This is what's supposed to happen when the ruling class gets out of touch.
  - linkregister 10y ago
    The idea of a unified "ruling class" is laughable. The current president is constantly at odds with the political party that controls the Senate and the House of Representatives. I also disagree with the notion that most congressmen are out of touch with their voters. Each individual congressman is pursuing the agenda he or she was voted into office by his or her constituents. An example: some constituents want to repeal Obamacare while those in other districts want to preserve it. Each set is affected differently so it is reasonable for different districts to have different opinions. Deadlock is a feature of this Republic; the founders considered it to be superior to a tyranny of the majority over minority interests.
    - emodendroket 10y ago
      Of course there are multiple elements of the ruling class with different interests. But I think it's also safe to say there are a lot of issues where Republicans and Democrats are in complete agreement and their constituents are not.
      - linkregister 10y ago
        What would be an example of one of these issues?
        gozur88 10y ago
        Immigration.
        emodendroket 10y ago
        How to handle Wall Street post-meltdown or various military ventures seem like the most glaring examples to me.

mememachine 10y ago

You've got it backwards. People imbue meaning into the medium. Also, saying the comment you replied to is "poor understanding" is both not supported by anything you shared, since your argument is as factual as theirs, and obnoxious. Keep it to yourself, please.