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There is tolerance and then there are things that are not open to discussion. The line tends to shift as society progresses. Not so long ago it was a perfectly

There is tolerance and then there are things that are not open to discussion. The line tends to shift as society progresses. Not so long ago it was a perfectly valid opinion that there should be slaves. Try that today. (Incidentally that same level of society would have seen Thiel stoned to death, he is openly gay after all)

grzm 10y ago
How does this work in practice? This is something I've been thinking about and am struggling with. What if people don't agree with you and feel the same way about things not being open to discussion? Compromise? Split off into smaller and smaller groups that agree with each other? Refuse to work together? Shun? Shame? Resort to violence? I'm serious. I don't have a good answer. I think it depends on the issue, but I know people are going to draw their lines differently. Thoughts?
- revelation 10y ago
  I think in practice you might be Brendan Eich, donate to an anti same-sex marriage PAC, find that your work community does not feel gay marriage should be open to discussion and are out of a job as CEO of Mozilla.
  - grzm 10y ago
    Ok. Would you clarify who the "you" refers to? I'm not sure if you're referring to me, Peter Thiel, or some general person who doesn't hold the same views as you.
    - revelation 10y ago
      Well, Brendan Eich. It's more of a literary device. Sorry, I might have misunderstood your question? I merely wanted to give an example of what happens when there is a shift of the line and some people haven't caught up.
      - grzm 10y ago
        Thanks for clarifying. I was aware it could have different meanings and just wanted to make sure. And thanks for responding to the original question. I think the issue is a lot more complex than can be extrapolated from a single example. Like I said, it's something I've been thinking about, some heuristic or guideline that can be applied to more than just this particular situation. I wish I had a grip on a better answer. Watching people go at each other on Hacker News has been hard.
      - overgard 10y ago
        You sound like a mafia member giving a friendly "warning."
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overgard 10y ago
> There is tolerance and then there are things that are not open to discussion So what's not "open to discussion"? It seems like fundamentally everything about this election has been open to discussion, it's been a weird fucking election. Are you literally saying supporting Trump is a crime so bad that it's not "open to discussion"? "The line tends to shift as society progresses." You talk about this "line" as if it's a real thing. Let me pose a fairly obvious question, in almost any time period, who imposed the limits of "what is not open to discussion", and what were their motives? Keep in mind, things that are obviously true don't need to be "not open to discussion", because nobody is bothering to discuss them.

grzm 10y ago

How does this work in practice? This is something I've been thinking about and am struggling with. What if people don't agree with you and feel the same way about things not being open to discussion? Compromise? Split off into smaller and smaller groups that agree with each other? Refuse to work together? Shun? Shame? Resort to violence? I'm serious. I don't have a good answer. I think it depends on the issue, but I know people are going to draw their lines differently. Thoughts?

revelation 10y ago
I think in practice you might be Brendan Eich, donate to an anti same-sex marriage PAC, find that your work community does not feel gay marriage should be open to discussion and are out of a job as CEO of Mozilla.
- grzm 10y ago
  Ok. Would you clarify who the "you" refers to? I'm not sure if you're referring to me, Peter Thiel, or some general person who doesn't hold the same views as you.
  - revelation 10y ago
    Well, Brendan Eich. It's more of a literary device. Sorry, I might have misunderstood your question? I merely wanted to give an example of what happens when there is a shift of the line and some people haven't caught up.
    - grzm 10y ago
      Thanks for clarifying. I was aware it could have different meanings and just wanted to make sure. And thanks for responding to the original question. I think the issue is a lot more complex than can be extrapolated from a single example. Like I said, it's something I've been thinking about, some heuristic or guideline that can be applied to more than just this particular situation. I wish I had a grip on a better answer. Watching people go at each other on Hacker News has been hard.
    - overgard 10y ago
      You sound like a mafia member giving a friendly "warning."

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overgard 10y ago

> There is tolerance and then there are things that are not open to discussion So what's not "open to discussion"? It seems like fundamentally everything about this election has been open to discussion, it's been a weird fucking election. Are you literally saying supporting Trump is a crime so bad that it's not "open to discussion"? "The line tends to shift as society progresses." You talk about this "line" as if it's a real thing. Let me pose a fairly obvious question, in almost any time period, who imposed the limits of "what is not open to discussion", and what were their motives? Keep in mind, things that are obviously true don't need to be "not open to discussion", because nobody is bothering to discuss them.