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> Because half the people of the United States are hypocrites with no strong moral compass. Listen to Donald Trump's acceptance speech: https://youtu.be/-smet

by imron 10y ago

> Because half the people of the United States are hypocrites with no strong moral compass. Listen to Donald Trump's acceptance speech: https://youtu.be/-smetnW-k28?t=275 https://youtu.be/-smetnW-k28?t=275 I prefer to believe that half of the people of the United States want to come together to build a better nation. Edit: Hello downvoters. At almost the very top of his speech Trump specifically said he was reaching out to people who didn't support him, for guidance and help in unifying and improving the country. Trump's prepared to work with you on unity, are you prepared to work with him? For better or worse dismissing him will not get your views heard, neither will calling him and his supporters names. Sanders issued a statement saying “To the degree that Mr. Trump is serious about pursuing policies that improve the lives of working families in this country, I and other progressives are prepared to work with him. To the degree that he pursues racist, sexist, xenophobic and anti-environment policies, we will vigorously oppose him.” Obama and Hillary said, let's give him a chance and wait and see. That does not seem unreasonable. I'm sure there are at least a handful of Trump policies that you can support and agree with (see for example his ethics in government reform policy).

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bobwaycott 10y ago
I know it's pedantic, but barely half the eligible electorate bothered to vote. And half of them elected Trump. We have no idea what the other half were doing or thinking, and can only guess they did not feel compelled to participate.
user837387 10y ago
>>Edit: Hello downvoters. At almost the very top of his speech, Trump specifically said he was reaching out to people who didn't support him for guidance and help in unifying and improving the country. Have you not been putting attention? He lies, lies, and lies to cover the lies and people do not care. He is who he is and will not change. I was stupid and naive enough to believe that the people of the United states would not be fooled by this person and I was wrong. Why would I believe his lies now? You must think I'm an idiot.
- imron 10y ago
  > Have you not been putting attention? He lies, lies, and lies to cover the lies and people do not care. People don't care because they expect politicians to lie. Hillary had her fair share of lies also. So we need a different yardstick to judge candidates beyond he/she lies. With regards to paying attention, I have been paying attention to this entire campaign and while paying attention I noticed that the version of Trump I saw in that speech was very different from the version of Trump that was portrayed in the media during the entire election campaign - from words to demeanor to tone. It wasn't just a small difference either, it was a stark difference. This means one of two things: 1) After winning a mandate (presidency, house, senate) that validated his entire campaign message, he decided to switch tactics and tone and give up bigotry and hatred in favour of unity. Or 2) The way he was portrayed by the media during the campaign was inaccurate, and his message has been one of unity and nation building all along. There is significant amount of evidence to show the latter, but either choice bodes well for the future.
  - kristjansson 10y ago
    What evidence do you see for your latter option?
    - imron 10y ago
      For nation building, his campaign slogan from day one: Make America Great Again. For inaccurate portrayals in the media, Wikileaks/Guccifer leaks from the DNC pointing out deliberate strategy to brand Trump as a rascist, sexist, xenophobic, fascist bigot, along with evidence showing strong media collusion to do that, and then going to the source of his most controversial statements and finding out that many were taken out of context to push those exact themes. For unity and caring about all Americans - repeated calls for it at his rallies, and videos like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm8n9qVIK_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm8n9qVIK_8 But I guess the biggest is simply what I mentioned above. Throughout the campaign Trump has been painted as a bully, as hateful, as a bigot as someone who does things his way and doesn't listen to others. This is also someone with a highly inflated opinion of himself, who paints his name in giant gold letters on his planes and buildings. He and his platform had just won 'bigly' - the presidency, the senate, the house. If anything the win would embolden someone with with the above characteristics and this speech was the culmination of his entire campaign and what he stood for. And yet none of those things came through in his speech - no message of hate or divisiveness, no bullying, no messages of vindication or retribution, instead it was the opposite. Reaching out to people who opposed him, offering to work together regardless of race and religion and political affiliation, everyone coming together to build a better America. That language and tone doesn't square with a narcissistic, bigoted, bully who says what he wants and takes what he pleases. It just doesn't. And when I'm confronted with a situation where reality conflicts with my perception of reality, the choice is either to update my perception to match the reality I'm seeing and hearing, or to further twist reality to match that already inaccurate perception. In any event, Trump made it clear in that speech he wanted to work on unity and building the nation. Is that something you can support? If yes, I suspect you are likely to find common ground with many of his supporters. If no, that is on you more than on Trump.

by imron 10y ago

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bobwaycott 10y ago

I know it's pedantic, but barely half the eligible electorate bothered to vote. And half of them elected Trump. We have no idea what the other half were doing or thinking, and can only guess they did not feel compelled to participate.

user837387 10y ago

>>Edit: Hello downvoters. At almost the very top of his speech, Trump specifically said he was reaching out to people who didn't support him for guidance and help in unifying and improving the country. Have you not been putting attention? He lies, lies, and lies to cover the lies and people do not care. He is who he is and will not change. I was stupid and naive enough to believe that the people of the United states would not be fooled by this person and I was wrong. Why would I believe his lies now? You must think I'm an idiot.

imron 10y ago
> Have you not been putting attention? He lies, lies, and lies to cover the lies and people do not care. People don't care because they expect politicians to lie. Hillary had her fair share of lies also. So we need a different yardstick to judge candidates beyond he/she lies. With regards to paying attention, I have been paying attention to this entire campaign and while paying attention I noticed that the version of Trump I saw in that speech was very different from the version of Trump that was portrayed in the media during the entire election campaign - from words to demeanor to tone. It wasn't just a small difference either, it was a stark difference. This means one of two things: 1) After winning a mandate (presidency, house, senate) that validated his entire campaign message, he decided to switch tactics and tone and give up bigotry and hatred in favour of unity. Or 2) The way he was portrayed by the media during the campaign was inaccurate, and his message has been one of unity and nation building all along. There is significant amount of evidence to show the latter, but either choice bodes well for the future.
- kristjansson 10y ago
  What evidence do you see for your latter option?
  - imron 10y ago
    For nation building, his campaign slogan from day one: Make America Great Again. For inaccurate portrayals in the media, Wikileaks/Guccifer leaks from the DNC pointing out deliberate strategy to brand Trump as a rascist, sexist, xenophobic, fascist bigot, along with evidence showing strong media collusion to do that, and then going to the source of his most controversial statements and finding out that many were taken out of context to push those exact themes. For unity and caring about all Americans - repeated calls for it at his rallies, and videos like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm8n9qVIK_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pm8n9qVIK_8 But I guess the biggest is simply what I mentioned above. Throughout the campaign Trump has been painted as a bully, as hateful, as a bigot as someone who does things his way and doesn't listen to others. This is also someone with a highly inflated opinion of himself, who paints his name in giant gold letters on his planes and buildings. He and his platform had just won 'bigly' - the presidency, the senate, the house. If anything the win would embolden someone with with the above characteristics and this speech was the culmination of his entire campaign and what he stood for. And yet none of those things came through in his speech - no message of hate or divisiveness, no bullying, no messages of vindication or retribution, instead it was the opposite. Reaching out to people who opposed him, offering to work together regardless of race and religion and political affiliation, everyone coming together to build a better America. That language and tone doesn't square with a narcissistic, bigoted, bully who says what he wants and takes what he pleases. It just doesn't. And when I'm confronted with a situation where reality conflicts with my perception of reality, the choice is either to update my perception to match the reality I'm seeing and hearing, or to further twist reality to match that already inaccurate perception. In any event, Trump made it clear in that speech he wanted to work on unity and building the nation. Is that something you can support? If yes, I suspect you are likely to find common ground with many of his supporters. If no, that is on you more than on Trump.