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That is your opinion and you are entitled to it but I disagree. Put Hillary in a balance with Trump and by far she is the better candidate. When people are wil

That is your opinion and you are entitled to it but I disagree. Put Hillary in a balance with Trump and by far she is the better candidate. When people are willing to believe in the Father of Lies, even after you show them recorded evidence, they are a lost cause. It is really hard to cure willful ignorance. Hillary has also lied, I admit it, but it is not even on the same league of Trump. The Democrats' fault (and mine too) was in believing that people of the United States were better than this. Up to this point I used to honestly believe that justice always prevailed, some how. That the morality of the people of the United States was strong. Stupid, idealistic, naive me. I really hurts my heart but at least my eyes have been opened. You can do almost anything you want, lie with impunity, grab woman by the pus*y, assault them, defraud people, etc. etc. and as long as you have money and good connections it is very likely you will get away with it. It is a hard pill to swallow, but at least I've learned my lesson and will live accordingly. And of course, if the republicans again destroy the economy like Bush did in 2008 everybody will comeback crying to the Democrats to fix it and then blame them for everything once things are going OK again.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
> Put Hillary in a balance with Trump and by far she is the better candidate Then why am I dealing with "President-elect" Donald Trump? > The Democrats' fault (and mine too) was in believing that people of the United States were better than this. Nooooooo, your fault was not understanding what millions of Americans are going through that would force them to vote for the opponent. The blame lies solely with that mindset. You expected people to put social issues ahead of their anxiety over economic survival. How ignorant is that idea? If you do not reflect, if you do not get comfortable with the idea of compromise and understanding those who did not vote the way you wanted, you will be doomed to fail. With age comes wisdom.
- user837387 10y ago
  >>Then why am I dealing with "President-elect" Donald Trump? Because half the people of the United States are hypocrites with no strong moral compass. It is not politically correct to say it but it is true. I didn't think so before this but I know so now. >>Nooooooo, your fault was not understanding what millions of Americans are going through that would force them to vote for the opponent. The blame lies solely with that mindset. That is a lie. A good chunk of the trump supporters are actually well off. [1] [1] http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-...
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    > Because half the people of the United States are hypocrites with no strong moral compass. It is not politically correct to say it but it is true. I didn't think so before this but I know so now. Prepare to lose a lot of battles in your life with this mindset. EDIT (because HN throttling and I can't reply): Don't waste the opportunity to grow as a person from this if it so strongly effects you. You don't say "fuck half of America, I'm right and they're wrong." You say, "Half of America voted for this person, this person who I strongly disagree with. Why? What motivated this? What can we do in the future to work together to ensure a better outcome?" You ask questions. You collaborate. You compromise. In that order.
    - user837387 10y ago
      I do not understand your logic. Why? The more you know the better. And this is something that I did not know before. As I already mentioned before, I was stupid and idealistic. This experience has made me a lot more cynical. It has probably made me a bit worse of a person, unfortunately. Trump has proven that you can say anything and as long as you have power or you tell people what they want to hear it does not matter so what are you talking about?
      - dleslie 10y ago
        Your replies echo everything that is wrong within the DNC. Get off your high horse and give some respect to the electorate, and accept that you backed a loser.
      - noobermin 10y ago
        Here's an olive branch, it's a linear combination. Look at the numbers, yes a large portion supported Trump out of desperation, but Clinton got 6M votes less than Obama. That says it all, people couldn't be motivated to vote. Please, for our sake that we can rebuild in 2020 from what little we have left of our country, do look around and realize that the DNC had alot to do with why Trump won.
    - lotharbot 10y ago
- fatbird 10y ago
  > Then why am I dealing with "President-elect" Donald Trump? Because the candidate who LOST the popular vote won the electoral college, so his fewer votes were better allocated, as it turned out. He won fair and square, but it's beyond idiotic to pretend that nominating Hillary was somehow a gift of the presidency to Trump. According to insiders, even Trump thought he was losing going into election night.
dleslie 10y ago
It is now objectively true that Clinton could not beat Trump; it is time to accept that the candidate you backed was not a winning choice.
- kristjansson 10y ago
  She won the popular vote, and lost the decisive states (MI, PA, WI) by 12, 68, and 27 thousand votes respectively. She did not beat Trump, but she could have, had anything gone even slightly differently.
leesalminen 10y ago
> Up to this point I used to honestly believe that justice always prevailed, some how. How one could arrive at this opinion after reviewing the entirely of recorded human history is beyond me.
- deleted 10y ago
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- user837387 10y ago
  I do know our history. And I could explain my reasoning, but the short story is that I was being an idealist and an idiot. That is how.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Ou5uFFn8Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Ou5uFFn8Q
FireBeyond 10y ago
"Hillary has also lied, I admit it, but it is not even on the same league of Trump." Come on, even as a liberal - when DWS resigned from the DNC for ethics violations related to the primaries, it was what ... thirty six hours before the Hillary Campaign announced that she was working on the campaign. That was a "fuck you, we're corrupt and you can't do anything about it". And in case there remained any doubt, we saw the same thing repeated with Donna Brazile. Fed debate questions to Hillary beforehand, left DNC ... to work for Hillary.

toomuchtodo 10y ago

> Put Hillary in a balance with Trump and by far she is the better candidate Then why am I dealing with "President-elect" Donald Trump? > The Democrats' fault (and mine too) was in believing that people of the United States were better than this. Nooooooo, your fault was not understanding what millions of Americans are going through that would force them to vote for the opponent. The blame lies solely with that mindset. You expected people to put social issues ahead of their anxiety over economic survival. How ignorant is that idea? If you do not reflect, if you do not get comfortable with the idea of compromise and understanding those who did not vote the way you wanted, you will be doomed to fail. With age comes wisdom.

user837387 10y ago
>>Then why am I dealing with "President-elect" Donald Trump? Because half the people of the United States are hypocrites with no strong moral compass. It is not politically correct to say it but it is true. I didn't think so before this but I know so now. >>Nooooooo, your fault was not understanding what millions of Americans are going through that would force them to vote for the opponent. The blame lies solely with that mindset. That is a lie. A good chunk of the trump supporters are actually well off. [1] [1] http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-...
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  > Because half the people of the United States are hypocrites with no strong moral compass. It is not politically correct to say it but it is true. I didn't think so before this but I know so now. Prepare to lose a lot of battles in your life with this mindset. EDIT (because HN throttling and I can't reply): Don't waste the opportunity to grow as a person from this if it so strongly effects you. You don't say "fuck half of America, I'm right and they're wrong." You say, "Half of America voted for this person, this person who I strongly disagree with. Why? What motivated this? What can we do in the future to work together to ensure a better outcome?" You ask questions. You collaborate. You compromise. In that order.
  - user837387 10y ago
    I do not understand your logic. Why? The more you know the better. And this is something that I did not know before. As I already mentioned before, I was stupid and idealistic. This experience has made me a lot more cynical. It has probably made me a bit worse of a person, unfortunately. Trump has proven that you can say anything and as long as you have power or you tell people what they want to hear it does not matter so what are you talking about?
    - dleslie 10y ago
      Your replies echo everything that is wrong within the DNC. Get off your high horse and give some respect to the electorate, and accept that you backed a loser.
    - noobermin 10y ago
      Here's an olive branch, it's a linear combination. Look at the numbers, yes a large portion supported Trump out of desperation, but Clinton got 6M votes less than Obama. That says it all, people couldn't be motivated to vote. Please, for our sake that we can rebuild in 2020 from what little we have left of our country, do look around and realize that the DNC had alot to do with why Trump won.
  - lotharbot 10y ago
fatbird 10y ago
> Then why am I dealing with "President-elect" Donald Trump? Because the candidate who LOST the popular vote won the electoral college, so his fewer votes were better allocated, as it turned out. He won fair and square, but it's beyond idiotic to pretend that nominating Hillary was somehow a gift of the presidency to Trump. According to insiders, even Trump thought he was losing going into election night.

dleslie 10y ago

It is now objectively true that Clinton could not beat Trump; it is time to accept that the candidate you backed was not a winning choice.

kristjansson 10y ago
She won the popular vote, and lost the decisive states (MI, PA, WI) by 12, 68, and 27 thousand votes respectively. She did not beat Trump, but she could have, had anything gone even slightly differently.

leesalminen 10y ago

> Up to this point I used to honestly believe that justice always prevailed, some how. How one could arrive at this opinion after reviewing the entirely of recorded human history is beyond me.

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user837387 10y ago
I do know our history. And I could explain my reasoning, but the short story is that I was being an idealist and an idiot. That is how.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Ou5uFFn8Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Ou5uFFn8Q

FireBeyond 10y ago

"Hillary has also lied, I admit it, but it is not even on the same league of Trump." Come on, even as a liberal - when DWS resigned from the DNC for ethics violations related to the primaries, it was what ... thirty six hours before the Hillary Campaign announced that she was working on the campaign. That was a "fuck you, we're corrupt and you can't do anything about it". And in case there remained any doubt, we saw the same thing repeated with Donna Brazile. Fed debate questions to Hillary beforehand, left DNC ... to work for Hillary.