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More Democrats voted and caucused for her than for Bernie. I don't know where the notion that his nomination was stolen comes from other than maybe Trump himsel

More Democrats voted and caucused for her than for Bernie. I don't know where the notion that his nomination was stolen comes from other than maybe Trump himself.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
Independents, needed to win the general, were not permitted to participate in several major Democratic primaries. Those Independents did not go for Clinton (clearly). Nor did Millennials, who also sat out for Clinton. If you need people outside your party to vote for you, you don't restrict caucusing to just your party. Otherwise, you get the proverbial brick in the face. Must be a terrible legacy to lose to the person that makes up Trump in front of the entire world, that people said to themselves "Yes, he's a bigot, a xenophobe, a sexist; but he's not Clinton" as they voted. @fatbird: I'm unsure why we're still arguing about this. Clinton lost because she did not have enough support, period.
- fatbird 10y ago
  Primary rules aren't decided on a case-by-case, election by election basis, and they're not a strategic tool for positioning oneself for the general campaign. They're an internal process that is supposed to be consistent and knowable beforehand--and the reason Obama was able to upset Hillary in 2008 was because his campaign bothered to learn the rules for all 50 primaries/caucuses, while hers didn't.
- phlakaton 10y ago
  Independent here from California. I absolutely voted for Clinton over Sanders, and I assure you my conscience is clear about it.
MichaelGG 10y ago
No it comes from Wikileaks, which showed emails with the DNC trying to damage Bernie.
- zimzam 10y ago
  Of course they were: Bernie wasn't a Democrat until he ran for the nomination, why would they want to help an outsider become head of the party (aka the nominee?)
  - roywiggins 10y ago
    And it's not like we don't have an example of a candidate that rode popular outrage to a comfortable nomination victory with the entire weight of the party elites trying to sink him. It's clearly not that hard if you find the right message and the time is right. But then nobody hacked the RNC's emails. Who knows what's in those.
    - zaroth 10y ago
      Surely someone hacked the RNC's emails. They just didn't chose to share them with Wikileaks!

More Democrats voted and caucused for her than for Bernie. I don't know where the notion that his nomination was stolen comes from other than maybe Trump himself.

toomuchtodo 10y ago

Independents, needed to win the general, were not permitted to participate in several major Democratic primaries. Those Independents did not go for Clinton (clearly). Nor did Millennials, who also sat out for Clinton. If you need people outside your party to vote for you, you don't restrict caucusing to just your party. Otherwise, you get the proverbial brick in the face. Must be a terrible legacy to lose to the person that makes up Trump in front of the entire world, that people said to themselves "Yes, he's a bigot, a xenophobe, a sexist; but he's not Clinton" as they voted. @fatbird: I'm unsure why we're still arguing about this. Clinton lost because she did not have enough support, period.

fatbird 10y ago
Primary rules aren't decided on a case-by-case, election by election basis, and they're not a strategic tool for positioning oneself for the general campaign. They're an internal process that is supposed to be consistent and knowable beforehand--and the reason Obama was able to upset Hillary in 2008 was because his campaign bothered to learn the rules for all 50 primaries/caucuses, while hers didn't.
phlakaton 10y ago
Independent here from California. I absolutely voted for Clinton over Sanders, and I assure you my conscience is clear about it.

MichaelGG 10y ago

No it comes from Wikileaks, which showed emails with the DNC trying to damage Bernie.

zimzam 10y ago
Of course they were: Bernie wasn't a Democrat until he ran for the nomination, why would they want to help an outsider become head of the party (aka the nominee?)
- roywiggins 10y ago
  And it's not like we don't have an example of a candidate that rode popular outrage to a comfortable nomination victory with the entire weight of the party elites trying to sink him. It's clearly not that hard if you find the right message and the time is right. But then nobody hacked the RNC's emails. Who knows what's in those.
  - zaroth 10y ago
    Surely someone hacked the RNC's emails. They just didn't chose to share them with Wikileaks!