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What is going on with this community? I feel like I am taking proverbial crazy pills. Clinton advocated for a "Manhattan Project" scope effort to backdoor cryp

by daxorid 10y ago

What is going on with this community? I feel like I am taking proverbial crazy pills. Clinton advocated for a "Manhattan Project" scope effort to backdoor crypto. She wants no-fly zones over Syria, a place we have NO business being in, to directly provoke proxy wars with Russia. She is extremely antagonistic to freedom of association and free enterprise, and she LOVES the panopticon surveillance state we have. She is NO FRIEND OF EITHER STARTUPS OR HACKERS, and yet, 99% of you are frothing at the mouth over a man who said bad words 18 years ago. It is at the point that I don't even think I can do business with any of you ever again.

scrollaway 10y ago
The subthread you are replying to didn't mention Clinton. Didn't talk about Clinton. Didn't even say the word "Clinton" once. Yet your reply is entirely about Clinton. Why? You'll find that a lot of people in this community actively dislike Clinton. But after the election, she is now essentially irrelevant. So talking about her doesn't advance anything - talking about the upcoming president, however...
- daxorid 10y ago
  Because two days ago Clinton was the alternative. And all the anger in the community in the last 48 hours (and prior, in the case of Thiel and YC ) has been directed at those who selected against her. This will be relevant long after the election even if the topic is Trump, for obvious reasons.
roywiggins 10y ago
In my personal morality: Torture is an absolute evil. Military engagements to kill armed combatants that kill innocents is a relative evil. Surveillance is a relative evil. Trump is the Torture Candidate. He's on record, he loves torture. He said it on the campaign trail. He could have been Orange Bernie and I would have refused to vote for him.
234dd57d2c8db 10y ago
Please think of the children, minorities and women. You can ignore the 35% of hispanics who voted for Trump though. Those minorities don't count. Also Asians. Asians don't count as a minority either. Actually white women as well, since 53% of them voted for Trump. Did you know Hillary is a woman?
knz 10y ago
> and yet, 99% of you are frothing at the mouth over a man who said bad words 18 years ago. There are multiple reports and videos of crowds at his rallies chanting "Kill the bitch, "Hang the bitch", and "Lock her up". Trump knew this and condoned the behaviour. He has actively singled out members of the "corrupt media". I can respect political differences but this is not normal behaviour for a healthy democracy. It's playing with fire - a fire that may burn out quickly, a fire that may smoulder in the background, or a fire that could burn the whole place down. I'm NOT saying Trump is going to start locking people up (I think he is a populist who said what people wanted to hear) but let's not pretend that the concerns people have are only because of his crude comments about women and minorities. As I said, it's not about the normal left vs right ideology - Obama and Bush both supported policies that greatly concern me (mass surveillance, drone strikes against US citizens without trial etc). But neither Bush or Obama used this type of rhetoric about their political opponents.
- Lordarminius 10y ago
  I dont mean to sound like a smart alec but "healthy democracy" does not describe America in my view.
- generic_user 10y ago
  The DNC was caught red handed funding political operatives to organise and fund protests at trump events that started the violent riots that unfolded. There is numerous videos of Trump supporters being assaulted by Democratic thugs. And at this very moment protest organised by MoveOn.org are smashing windows and starting fires in Oakland, LA, NY and other Democrat controlled cities. I do not see any healthy democratic virtue there at the DNC. It looks a lot like third world political intimidation tactics and violence. http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/24/leaked-emails-show-dnc-officials-planned-anti-trump-protests/ http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/24/leaked-emails-show-dnc-off...
  - knz 10y ago
    I don't disagree re the DNC but do feel there is a difference between scuffles at a protest and openly condoning violence against specific people over multiple months.
preordained 10y ago
Yup...all points that warrant much pause and consideration, to understate the hell out of it. Yet these "details" are glossed over in a discussion by "thinking" people. It's as if people put on their thinking caps to build some software, but chuck it in a wastebin and rely 100% on hunches and assumptions as they navigate the rest of their world...their beliefs, community, state of their country...no critical thinking needed or desired. Just react. Take it all at face value. He's the bad one. She's the good one. So simple.

by daxorid 10y ago

scrollaway 10y ago

The subthread you are replying to didn't mention Clinton. Didn't talk about Clinton. Didn't even say the word "Clinton" once. Yet your reply is entirely about Clinton. Why? You'll find that a lot of people in this community actively dislike Clinton. But after the election, she is now essentially irrelevant. So talking about her doesn't advance anything - talking about the upcoming president, however...

daxorid 10y ago
Because two days ago Clinton was the alternative. And all the anger in the community in the last 48 hours (and prior, in the case of Thiel and YC ) has been directed at those who selected against her. This will be relevant long after the election even if the topic is Trump, for obvious reasons.

roywiggins 10y ago

In my personal morality: Torture is an absolute evil. Military engagements to kill armed combatants that kill innocents is a relative evil. Surveillance is a relative evil. Trump is the Torture Candidate. He's on record, he loves torture. He said it on the campaign trail. He could have been Orange Bernie and I would have refused to vote for him.

234dd57d2c8db 10y ago

Please think of the children, minorities and women. You can ignore the 35% of hispanics who voted for Trump though. Those minorities don't count. Also Asians. Asians don't count as a minority either. Actually white women as well, since 53% of them voted for Trump. Did you know Hillary is a woman?

knz 10y ago

> and yet, 99% of you are frothing at the mouth over a man who said bad words 18 years ago. There are multiple reports and videos of crowds at his rallies chanting "Kill the bitch, "Hang the bitch", and "Lock her up". Trump knew this and condoned the behaviour. He has actively singled out members of the "corrupt media". I can respect political differences but this is not normal behaviour for a healthy democracy. It's playing with fire - a fire that may burn out quickly, a fire that may smoulder in the background, or a fire that could burn the whole place down. I'm NOT saying Trump is going to start locking people up (I think he is a populist who said what people wanted to hear) but let's not pretend that the concerns people have are only because of his crude comments about women and minorities. As I said, it's not about the normal left vs right ideology - Obama and Bush both supported policies that greatly concern me (mass surveillance, drone strikes against US citizens without trial etc). But neither Bush or Obama used this type of rhetoric about their political opponents.

Lordarminius 10y ago
I dont mean to sound like a smart alec but "healthy democracy" does not describe America in my view.
generic_user 10y ago
The DNC was caught red handed funding political operatives to organise and fund protests at trump events that started the violent riots that unfolded. There is numerous videos of Trump supporters being assaulted by Democratic thugs. And at this very moment protest organised by MoveOn.org are smashing windows and starting fires in Oakland, LA, NY and other Democrat controlled cities. I do not see any healthy democratic virtue there at the DNC. It looks a lot like third world political intimidation tactics and violence. http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/24/leaked-emails-show-dnc-officials-planned-anti-trump-protests/ http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/24/leaked-emails-show-dnc-off...
- knz 10y ago
  I don't disagree re the DNC but do feel there is a difference between scuffles at a protest and openly condoning violence against specific people over multiple months.

preordained 10y ago

Yup...all points that warrant much pause and consideration, to understate the hell out of it. Yet these "details" are glossed over in a discussion by "thinking" people. It's as if people put on their thinking caps to build some software, but chuck it in a wastebin and rely 100% on hunches and assumptions as they navigate the rest of their world...their beliefs, community, state of their country...no critical thinking needed or desired. Just react. Take it all at face value. He's the bad one. She's the good one. So simple.