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>>blame the democrats Don't blame me for Trump. I voted for Hillary. Each of us are responsible for their own vote. Nobody made you vote for Trump. I blame th

>>blame the democrats Don't blame me for Trump. I voted for Hillary. Each of us are responsible for their own vote. Nobody made you vote for Trump. I blame the people who voted for Trump for making him President. After all, we are all adults here, and although Trump never accepts any responsibility for his actions I think that the Trump supporters accept that they voted for him. So yeah, blaming the Democrats for the Trump presidency is an oxymoron.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
Clinton and her machine threw the only candidate who could beat Trump under the bus. She deserves her loss, and should apologize to the American people for prioritizing her selfish ambition over the good of the country. Hopefully the Democrats learn about running someone electable before 2018. I have already prepared my donation fund for Bernie Sanders' or Tulsi Gabbard's 2020 presidential race (and I'll not vote again in 4 years if the Dems run yet another establishment candidate, learn your lesson already). Your chance for your opinion to matter was when the primaries took place. Don't save your outrage for after it doesn't go the way you wanted.
- roywiggins 10y ago
  More Democrats voted and caucused for her than for Bernie. I don't know where the notion that his nomination was stolen comes from other than maybe Trump himself.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    Independents, needed to win the general, were not permitted to participate in several major Democratic primaries. Those Independents did not go for Clinton (clearly). Nor did Millennials, who also sat out for Clinton. If you need people outside your party to vote for you, you don't restrict caucusing to just your party. Otherwise, you get the proverbial brick in the face. Must be a terrible legacy to lose to the person that makes up Trump in front of the entire world, that people said to themselves "Yes, he's a bigot, a xenophobe, a sexist; but he's not Clinton" as they voted. @fatbird: I'm unsure why we're still arguing about this. Clinton lost because she did not have enough support, period.
    - fatbird 10y ago
      Primary rules aren't decided on a case-by-case, election by election basis, and they're not a strategic tool for positioning oneself for the general campaign. They're an internal process that is supposed to be consistent and knowable beforehand--and the reason Obama was able to upset Hillary in 2008 was because his campaign bothered to learn the rules for all 50 primaries/caucuses, while hers didn't.
    - phlakaton 10y ago
      Independent here from California. I absolutely voted for Clinton over Sanders, and I assure you my conscience is clear about it.
  - MichaelGG 10y ago
    No it comes from Wikileaks, which showed emails with the DNC trying to damage Bernie.
    - zimzam 10y ago
      Of course they were: Bernie wasn't a Democrat until he ran for the nomination, why would they want to help an outsider become head of the party (aka the nominee?)
      - roywiggins 10y ago
        And it's not like we don't have an example of a candidate that rode popular outrage to a comfortable nomination victory with the entire weight of the party elites trying to sink him. It's clearly not that hard if you find the right message and the time is right. But then nobody hacked the RNC's emails. Who knows what's in those.
        zaroth 10y ago
        Surely someone hacked the RNC's emails. They just didn't chose to share them with Wikileaks!
- user837387 10y ago
  That is your opinion and you are entitled to it but I disagree. Put Hillary in a balance with Trump and by far she is the better candidate. When people are willing to believe in the Father of Lies, even after you show them recorded evidence, they are a lost cause. It is really hard to cure willful ignorance. Hillary has also lied, I admit it, but it is not even on the same league of Trump. The Democrats' fault (and mine too) was in believing that people of the United States were better than this. Up to this point I used to honestly believe that justice always prevailed, some how. That the morality of the people of the United States was strong. Stupid, idealistic, naive me. I really hurts my heart but at least my eyes have been opened. You can do almost anything you want, lie with impunity, grab woman by the pus*y, assault them, defraud people, etc. etc. and as long as you have money and good connections it is very likely you will get away with it. It is a hard pill to swallow, but at least I've learned my lesson and will live accordingly. And of course, if the republicans again destroy the economy like Bush did in 2008 everybody will comeback crying to the Democrats to fix it and then blame them for everything once things are going OK again.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    > Put Hillary in a balance with Trump and by far she is the better candidate Then why am I dealing with "President-elect" Donald Trump? > The Democrats' fault (and mine too) was in believing that people of the United States were better than this. Nooooooo, your fault was not understanding what millions of Americans are going through that would force them to vote for the opponent. The blame lies solely with that mindset. You expected people to put social issues ahead of their anxiety over economic survival. How ignorant is that idea? If you do not reflect, if you do not get comfortable with the idea of compromise and understanding those who did not vote the way you wanted, you will be doomed to fail. With age comes wisdom.
    - user837387 10y ago
      >>Then why am I dealing with "President-elect" Donald Trump? Because half the people of the United States are hypocrites with no strong moral compass. It is not politically correct to say it but it is true. I didn't think so before this but I know so now. >>Nooooooo, your fault was not understanding what millions of Americans are going through that would force them to vote for the opponent. The blame lies solely with that mindset. That is a lie. A good chunk of the trump supporters are actually well off. [1] [1] http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-...
xiaoma 10y ago
If you voted for her in the primary, then I actually do blame you. You picked just about the only Democrat Trump had a hope of beating.
mc32 10y ago
So people from Brigade[1] say that among the electorate which used their app, 95% of Republicans pledged to vote Republican, among the Democrats only 55% pledged to vote for Hillary. So... who was it again who helped Trump win? [1]http://iowapublicradio.org/post/app-saw-trump-winning-swing-states-when-polls-didnt http://iowapublicradio.org/post/app-saw-trump-winning-swing-...
rorykoehler 10y ago
>>blaming the Democrats for the Trump presidency is an oxymoron. Not really. The dems sabotaged their only electable candidate. I'm not upset about the Trump presidency only because I had come to terms with it as soon as I realised Hillary was going to screw over Bernie and basically guarantee a Trump presidency. Never before has an 'I told so' felt so unsatisfactory. Besides I'm not even sure a Hillary presidency would have been more palatable given her track record.

toomuchtodo 10y ago

Clinton and her machine threw the only candidate who could beat Trump under the bus. She deserves her loss, and should apologize to the American people for prioritizing her selfish ambition over the good of the country. Hopefully the Democrats learn about running someone electable before 2018. I have already prepared my donation fund for Bernie Sanders' or Tulsi Gabbard's 2020 presidential race (and I'll not vote again in 4 years if the Dems run yet another establishment candidate, learn your lesson already). Your chance for your opinion to matter was when the primaries took place. Don't save your outrage for after it doesn't go the way you wanted.

roywiggins 10y ago
More Democrats voted and caucused for her than for Bernie. I don't know where the notion that his nomination was stolen comes from other than maybe Trump himself.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  Independents, needed to win the general, were not permitted to participate in several major Democratic primaries. Those Independents did not go for Clinton (clearly). Nor did Millennials, who also sat out for Clinton. If you need people outside your party to vote for you, you don't restrict caucusing to just your party. Otherwise, you get the proverbial brick in the face. Must be a terrible legacy to lose to the person that makes up Trump in front of the entire world, that people said to themselves "Yes, he's a bigot, a xenophobe, a sexist; but he's not Clinton" as they voted. @fatbird: I'm unsure why we're still arguing about this. Clinton lost because she did not have enough support, period.
  - fatbird 10y ago
    Primary rules aren't decided on a case-by-case, election by election basis, and they're not a strategic tool for positioning oneself for the general campaign. They're an internal process that is supposed to be consistent and knowable beforehand--and the reason Obama was able to upset Hillary in 2008 was because his campaign bothered to learn the rules for all 50 primaries/caucuses, while hers didn't.
  - phlakaton 10y ago
    Independent here from California. I absolutely voted for Clinton over Sanders, and I assure you my conscience is clear about it.
- MichaelGG 10y ago
  No it comes from Wikileaks, which showed emails with the DNC trying to damage Bernie.
  - zimzam 10y ago
    Of course they were: Bernie wasn't a Democrat until he ran for the nomination, why would they want to help an outsider become head of the party (aka the nominee?)
    - roywiggins 10y ago
      And it's not like we don't have an example of a candidate that rode popular outrage to a comfortable nomination victory with the entire weight of the party elites trying to sink him. It's clearly not that hard if you find the right message and the time is right. But then nobody hacked the RNC's emails. Who knows what's in those.
      - zaroth 10y ago
        Surely someone hacked the RNC's emails. They just didn't chose to share them with Wikileaks!
user837387 10y ago
That is your opinion and you are entitled to it but I disagree. Put Hillary in a balance with Trump and by far she is the better candidate. When people are willing to believe in the Father of Lies, even after you show them recorded evidence, they are a lost cause. It is really hard to cure willful ignorance. Hillary has also lied, I admit it, but it is not even on the same league of Trump. The Democrats' fault (and mine too) was in believing that people of the United States were better than this. Up to this point I used to honestly believe that justice always prevailed, some how. That the morality of the people of the United States was strong. Stupid, idealistic, naive me. I really hurts my heart but at least my eyes have been opened. You can do almost anything you want, lie with impunity, grab woman by the pus*y, assault them, defraud people, etc. etc. and as long as you have money and good connections it is very likely you will get away with it. It is a hard pill to swallow, but at least I've learned my lesson and will live accordingly. And of course, if the republicans again destroy the economy like Bush did in 2008 everybody will comeback crying to the Democrats to fix it and then blame them for everything once things are going OK again.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  > Put Hillary in a balance with Trump and by far she is the better candidate Then why am I dealing with "President-elect" Donald Trump? > The Democrats' fault (and mine too) was in believing that people of the United States were better than this. Nooooooo, your fault was not understanding what millions of Americans are going through that would force them to vote for the opponent. The blame lies solely with that mindset. You expected people to put social issues ahead of their anxiety over economic survival. How ignorant is that idea? If you do not reflect, if you do not get comfortable with the idea of compromise and understanding those who did not vote the way you wanted, you will be doomed to fail. With age comes wisdom.
  - user837387 10y ago
    >>Then why am I dealing with "President-elect" Donald Trump? Because half the people of the United States are hypocrites with no strong moral compass. It is not politically correct to say it but it is true. I didn't think so before this but I know so now. >>Nooooooo, your fault was not understanding what millions of Americans are going through that would force them to vote for the opponent. The blame lies solely with that mindset. That is a lie. A good chunk of the trump supporters are actually well off. [1] [1] http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-...

xiaoma 10y ago

If you voted for her in the primary, then I actually do blame you. You picked just about the only Democrat Trump had a hope of beating.

mc32 10y ago

So people from Brigade[1] say that among the electorate which used their app, 95% of Republicans pledged to vote Republican, among the Democrats only 55% pledged to vote for Hillary. So... who was it again who helped Trump win? [1]http://iowapublicradio.org/post/app-saw-trump-winning-swing-states-when-polls-didnt http://iowapublicradio.org/post/app-saw-trump-winning-swing-...

rorykoehler 10y ago

>>blaming the Democrats for the Trump presidency is an oxymoron. Not really. The dems sabotaged their only electable candidate. I'm not upset about the Trump presidency only because I had come to terms with it as soon as I realised Hillary was going to screw over Bernie and basically guarantee a Trump presidency. Never before has an 'I told so' felt so unsatisfactory. Besides I'm not even sure a Hillary presidency would have been more palatable given her track record.