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"You're a dirty monkey and should go back to Africa" is inconvenient conservative speech? You'll have a difficult time defending that statement.

by MaysonL 10y ago

masondixon 10y ago
What if a black person said this to another black person? My point is that "hate speech" is not clear cut. Today, the left is using it to silence any opposition. If someone says "hate speech" is writing "Trump" on the ground with chalk, where does it end? How do you draw the line?
- revx 10y ago
  I think I was pretty clear about where I draw the line. > your liberties to express ideology end where someone else's human rights begin. I won't respect your opinion if it disrespects someone's existence.
generic_user 10y ago
We are discussing these terms in a specific context of this email. Wild straw men arguments do not contribute to the discussion. Unless you can find someone saying, > You're a dirty monkey and should go back to Africa I would refrain from such bombast.
fdsaaf 10y ago
That statement is absolutely protected speech.
- revx 10y ago
  I think you're mistaking the purpose of the 1st amendment. Racist comments are protected speech in that the United States Government cannot arrest/imprison/etc. you for that kind of speech. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of repercussions for your speech. New York is an at-will state, meaning there is no legal problem with this email. There is no protection for people getting fired for hate speech, just like there is no legal protection for people boycotting or refusing to work for companies that they disagree with.
  - fdsaaf 10y ago
    Private enterprises aren't required by law to uphold a high standard of free speech, but being decent Americans does. The government MUST NOT censor, but private companies SHOULD NOT.
    - revx 10y ago
      I think we have a very different standard of what a "decent American" is. Perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree for now.

"You're a dirty monkey and should go back to Africa" is inconvenient conservative speech? You'll have a difficult time defending that statement.

by MaysonL 10y ago

"You're a dirty monkey and should go back to Africa" is inconvenient conservative speech? You'll have a difficult time defending that statement.

masondixon 10y ago

What if a black person said this to another black person? My point is that "hate speech" is not clear cut. Today, the left is using it to silence any opposition. If someone says "hate speech" is writing "Trump" on the ground with chalk, where does it end? How do you draw the line?

revx 10y ago
I think I was pretty clear about where I draw the line. > your liberties to express ideology end where someone else's human rights begin. I won't respect your opinion if it disrespects someone's existence.

generic_user 10y ago

We are discussing these terms in a specific context of this email. Wild straw men arguments do not contribute to the discussion. Unless you can find someone saying, > You're a dirty monkey and should go back to Africa I would refrain from such bombast.

fdsaaf 10y ago

That statement is absolutely protected speech.

revx 10y ago
I think you're mistaking the purpose of the 1st amendment. Racist comments are protected speech in that the United States Government cannot arrest/imprison/etc. you for that kind of speech. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of repercussions for your speech. New York is an at-will state, meaning there is no legal problem with this email. There is no protection for people getting fired for hate speech, just like there is no legal protection for people boycotting or refusing to work for companies that they disagree with.
- fdsaaf 10y ago
  Private enterprises aren't required by law to uphold a high standard of free speech, but being decent Americans does. The government MUST NOT censor, but private companies SHOULD NOT.
  - revx 10y ago
    I think we have a very different standard of what a "decent American" is. Perhaps we'll have to agree to disagree for now.