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Yeah, jruby+truffle could be pretty amazing for ruby performance. However, having multiple ruby implementations is great too, and they probably would rather ke

by ehsanu1 10y ago

Yeah, jruby+truffle could be pretty amazing for ruby performance. However, having multiple ruby implementations is great too, and they probably would rather keep working on an independent implementation that they have full control over, and whose goals may not align perfectly with that of other implementations.

dakull 10y ago
As they pointed out in the interview - it's not a free meal i.e. one could expect high memory usage and slow start-up times. For me the slow start-up and the JIT requiring ~50K/req for warm-up just ruin the whole experience in coding the app in Ruby I'd rather just use Elixir. Another interesting project is IBM's OMR [0] - compared to JRuby there are no slow start-ups and weirdly, being still a dev. preview it can run Rails and its deps. without issues, even better than Rubinius stable. [0] - https://github.com/rubyomr-preview/rubyomr-preview https://github.com/rubyomr-preview/rubyomr-preview
- ehsanu1 10y ago
  50k requests seems excessive, are you sure about that? :) Of course it depends on the implementation particulars, and profile-guided optimization may help, but needing a couple thousand requests to warm up is not so bad for a web application server that will see 100x as many requests as that. If we're very lucky, Substrate VM will be released at some point, solving the startup time issues (and I believe many of the JIT issues, though less clear on that): http://lafo.ssw.uni-linz.ac.at/papers/2013_JVMLanguageSummit_OneVMToRuleThemAll.pdf http://lafo.ssw.uni-linz.ac.at/papers/2013_JVMLanguageSummit... The OMR project definitely looks interesting, but it doesn't seem to be actively developed (or perhaps the most recent commits are just not public yet). But if it works that well, then maybe there's no need, hah. Will have to try it out.
  - igravious 10y ago
    > but it doesn't seem to be actively developed The source code is here: https://github.com/rubyomr-preview/ruby https://github.com/rubyomr-preview/ruby Seems the code is being developed internally to IBM. First the docker images of the OMR tech preview were dropped about a year ago. The the source was dropped recently. Targets Ruby 2.2 so I'm going to open an issue asking about targeting 2.3 and folding this work into trunk. $ git clone https://github.com/rubyomr-preview/ruby.git --branch ruby_2_2_omr --recursive $ cd ruby $ autoconf $ ./configure SPEC=linux_x86-64 --with-omr-jit $ make $ make install This should build it for you to try out. I urge others to try it out and give feedback.
    - magaudet 10y ago
      Hey! thanks for the shout out. I would totally love to see more feedback as well! We haven't turned on the issue tracker on that repo, but the glue has it's issues turned on: https://github.com/rubyomr-preview/rbjitglue https://github.com/rubyomr-preview/rbjitglue Working on smoothing this out a bit, and also currently working on upgrading the JIT to target 2.4
      - igravious 10y ago
        Thank you for pushing Ruby performance forward! :)
  - magaudet 10y ago
    Hey, OMR developer here. Ruby+OMR is developed in three pieces: 1) the language independent core, then 2) The language dependent portions (i.e., the VM, and what we call the 'glue') The language independent core is here: https://github.com/eclipse/omr https://github.com/eclipse/omr. It's under active development, :) I'm actually working on Ruby 2.4 support right now (supremely not prime time, but if you're curious, the branch is here: https://github.com/mgaudet/ruby/tree/ruby_2_4_omr_preliminary https://github.com/mgaudet/ruby/tree/ruby_2_4_omr_preliminar...)
    - dakull 10y ago
      Hi! - why not release a working version for Ruby 2.3? or heck even 2.2 for general use. That would be useful and maybe generate some form of traction.

by ehsanu1 10y ago

dakull 10y ago

As they pointed out in the interview - it's not a free meal i.e. one could expect high memory usage and slow start-up times. For me the slow start-up and the JIT requiring ~50K/req for warm-up just ruin the whole experience in coding the app in Ruby I'd rather just use Elixir. Another interesting project is IBM's OMR [0] - compared to JRuby there are no slow start-ups and weirdly, being still a dev. preview it can run Rails and its deps. without issues, even better than Rubinius stable. [0] - https://github.com/rubyomr-preview/rubyomr-preview https://github.com/rubyomr-preview/rubyomr-preview

ehsanu1 10y ago
50k requests seems excessive, are you sure about that? :) Of course it depends on the implementation particulars, and profile-guided optimization may help, but needing a couple thousand requests to warm up is not so bad for a web application server that will see 100x as many requests as that. If we're very lucky, Substrate VM will be released at some point, solving the startup time issues (and I believe many of the JIT issues, though less clear on that): http://lafo.ssw.uni-linz.ac.at/papers/2013_JVMLanguageSummit_OneVMToRuleThemAll.pdf http://lafo.ssw.uni-linz.ac.at/papers/2013_JVMLanguageSummit... The OMR project definitely looks interesting, but it doesn't seem to be actively developed (or perhaps the most recent commits are just not public yet). But if it works that well, then maybe there's no need, hah. Will have to try it out.
- igravious 10y ago
  > but it doesn't seem to be actively developed The source code is here: https://github.com/rubyomr-preview/ruby https://github.com/rubyomr-preview/ruby Seems the code is being developed internally to IBM. First the docker images of the OMR tech preview were dropped about a year ago. The the source was dropped recently. Targets Ruby 2.2 so I'm going to open an issue asking about targeting 2.3 and folding this work into trunk. $ git clone https://github.com/rubyomr-preview/ruby.git --branch ruby_2_2_omr --recursive $ cd ruby $ autoconf $ ./configure SPEC=linux_x86-64 --with-omr-jit $ make $ make install This should build it for you to try out. I urge others to try it out and give feedback.
  - magaudet 10y ago
    Hey! thanks for the shout out. I would totally love to see more feedback as well! We haven't turned on the issue tracker on that repo, but the glue has it's issues turned on: https://github.com/rubyomr-preview/rbjitglue https://github.com/rubyomr-preview/rbjitglue Working on smoothing this out a bit, and also currently working on upgrading the JIT to target 2.4
    - igravious 10y ago
      Thank you for pushing Ruby performance forward! :)
- magaudet 10y ago
  Hey, OMR developer here. Ruby+OMR is developed in three pieces: 1) the language independent core, then 2) The language dependent portions (i.e., the VM, and what we call the 'glue') The language independent core is here: https://github.com/eclipse/omr https://github.com/eclipse/omr. It's under active development, :) I'm actually working on Ruby 2.4 support right now (supremely not prime time, but if you're curious, the branch is here: https://github.com/mgaudet/ruby/tree/ruby_2_4_omr_preliminary https://github.com/mgaudet/ruby/tree/ruby_2_4_omr_preliminar...)
  - dakull 10y ago
    Hi! - why not release a working version for Ruby 2.3? or heck even 2.2 for general use. That would be useful and maybe generate some form of traction.