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> The exact opposite of not being politically engaged and having the few times you've seen the term be in a positive usage... Not sure what you're trying to sa

by 75j 10y ago

> The exact opposite of not being politically engaged and having the few times you've seen the term be in a positive usage... Not sure what you're trying to say here. I honestly don't care that much about any of this. I know that there are people like you who hate "SJWs", but really what a weird thing to get riled up over. My political engagement has been entirely contrary to the war-profiteering, plundering, pro-corporate elites that run the world, but by all means you keep going after those evil college kids and feminists!

Nadya 10y ago
>Not sure what you're trying to say here. My apologies. People who are not politically active (eg: casual Facebook browsers) will never, ever come across the term "SJW". They may have seen it a few times. If they're college-aged maybe they have a friend in college who describes themselves as a "SJW" in a positive light. 1-2 interactions with SJW's using "SJW" as a positive term is enough for them to see the term in a positive/neutral way, as opposed to the way heavy internet users who scour Twitter for hours a day and are active in the #Gamergate hashtag will see the term "SJW". If you browse Github, HackerNews, /r/TumblrInAction, or Twitter frequently then your chances of running into the term "SJW" increases as does your chances of seeing it used in mostly a negative way. To then assume that everyone "knows" the term is a negative one when it's sphere of influence is a few small niches of the internet is being dishonest. Especially when that person denies said accusation. >My political engagement has been entirely contrary to the war-profiteering, plundering, pro-corporate elites that run the world, but by all means you keep going after those evil college kids and feminists! Why not both? Dangerous elites are only as dangerous as the public allows them to be. How many singular elites can kill thousands or millions of people without people to do the killing for them? History has a historically thin line between "these people are bad" and "these people are bad and we should round them up and kill them". When people actively use the rhetoric of the latter, I listen and grow concerned...
- zzalpha 10y ago
  To then assume that everyone "knows" the term is a negative one when it's sphere of influence is a few small niches of the internet is being dishonest. Which is what makes it a dog whistle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics Dog-whistle politics is political messaging employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has an additional, different or more specific resonance for a targeted subgroup. I have very little faith that sickbeard didn't know full well that he was employing a dog whistle when he dropped "SJW" into the thread.
  - Nadya 10y ago
    All right, here we go. Each reference is to an individual in case they have multiples. [0] Bio. https://twitter.com/plankysmith https://twitter.com/plankysmith [1] https://twitter.com/crazypastor/status/778740809013137408 https://twitter.com/crazypastor/status/778740809013137408 , https://twitter.com/crazypastor/status/654843889468231680 https://twitter.com/crazypastor/status/654843889468231680 [2] https://twitter.com/mholzschlag/status/776017986209492992 https://twitter.com/mholzschlag/status/776017986209492992 [3] #ProudSJW (SJW is not an insult) https://twitter.com/SofaMan/status/791580903021563904 https://twitter.com/SofaMan/status/791580903021563904 , https://twitter.com/L0uisCouture/status/735112931306803200 https://twitter.com/L0uisCouture/status/735112931306803200 , https://twitter.com/aisling206/status/793116826637111302 https://twitter.com/aisling206/status/793116826637111302 , https://twitter.com/Meghatron5/status/759093344865808385 https://twitter.com/Meghatron5/status/759093344865808385 , https://twitter.com/_chrishaynes/status/736370080875843585 https://twitter.com/_chrishaynes/status/736370080875843585 , https://twitter.com/PeachyKeenGreat/status/623500847490576384 https://twitter.com/PeachyKeenGreat/status/62350084749057638... , https://twitter.com/elizabethveldon/status/530714111068618752 https://twitter.com/elizabethveldon/status/53071411106861875... The tag didn't really catch on, so let's get off Twitter. [4] http://thegeekiary.com/im-proud-to-be-a-social-justice-warrior/24830 http://thegeekiary.com/im-proud-to-be-a-social-justice-warri... [5] Let's check the SJW-wiki: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior >The reclamation of the term has spread to people who have never had it used upon them, and as a result, it is seen by many social justice advocates as a legitimate and accepted label for people who promote social justice. This has, in many circles (for example, Tumblr), heavily mitigated its pejoration, and consequently, heavily increased its positive usage by SJWs themselves Okay, actually this is boring. You don't care and have already convinced yourself - abandoning the principle of charity. So we'll leave it at this I guess.
    - zzalpha 10y ago
      Riiiight. So because the n-word and the f-word have been reclaimed by their communities, I shouldn't assume that folks not in those communities aren't still using the term in a derogatory fashion? Please. Go back and read the original post. SJW was not being used with a positive connotation in context, and to suggest otherwise is just being willfully stubborn simply to make a point.
- 75j 10y ago
  > History has a historically thin line between "these people are bad" and "these people are bad and we should round them up and kill them". When people actively use the rhetoric of the latter, I listen and grow concerned... This makes sense. Sorry for being overly confrontational in my last post. I do agree that the language and tactics used by the far-left (which I'm very much a part of) can be silly or even slimy at times. I certainly took issue with the language that liberals used to describe conservatives in this most recent election. Overall though, knowing quite a few people from college who are stereotypical SJWs, they are mostly harmless. A lot of them really do have a rough past, and aren't the privileged "special snowflakes" that the alt-right makes them out to be. Many people like the idea of a trigger warning, for example, because they really did experience something deeply traumatic, but you'll never discover that about them by hurling insults. And also many of these people tend to be socially awkward, and when I see people lashing out online about "tumblrinas" or whatever, it just feels like a continuation of the bullying that these people probably faced in childhood.

by 75j 10y ago

Nadya 10y ago

>Not sure what you're trying to say here. My apologies. People who are not politically active (eg: casual Facebook browsers) will never, ever come across the term "SJW". They may have seen it a few times. If they're college-aged maybe they have a friend in college who describes themselves as a "SJW" in a positive light. 1-2 interactions with SJW's using "SJW" as a positive term is enough for them to see the term in a positive/neutral way, as opposed to the way heavy internet users who scour Twitter for hours a day and are active in the #Gamergate hashtag will see the term "SJW". If you browse Github, HackerNews, /r/TumblrInAction, or Twitter frequently then your chances of running into the term "SJW" increases as does your chances of seeing it used in mostly a negative way. To then assume that everyone "knows" the term is a negative one when it's sphere of influence is a few small niches of the internet is being dishonest. Especially when that person denies said accusation. >My political engagement has been entirely contrary to the war-profiteering, plundering, pro-corporate elites that run the world, but by all means you keep going after those evil college kids and feminists! Why not both? Dangerous elites are only as dangerous as the public allows them to be. How many singular elites can kill thousands or millions of people without people to do the killing for them? History has a historically thin line between "these people are bad" and "these people are bad and we should round them up and kill them". When people actively use the rhetoric of the latter, I listen and grow concerned...

zzalpha 10y ago
To then assume that everyone "knows" the term is a negative one when it's sphere of influence is a few small niches of the internet is being dishonest. Which is what makes it a dog whistle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics Dog-whistle politics is political messaging employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has an additional, different or more specific resonance for a targeted subgroup. I have very little faith that sickbeard didn't know full well that he was employing a dog whistle when he dropped "SJW" into the thread.
- Nadya 10y ago
  All right, here we go. Each reference is to an individual in case they have multiples. [0] Bio. https://twitter.com/plankysmith https://twitter.com/plankysmith [1] https://twitter.com/crazypastor/status/778740809013137408 https://twitter.com/crazypastor/status/778740809013137408 , https://twitter.com/crazypastor/status/654843889468231680 https://twitter.com/crazypastor/status/654843889468231680 [2] https://twitter.com/mholzschlag/status/776017986209492992 https://twitter.com/mholzschlag/status/776017986209492992 [3] #ProudSJW (SJW is not an insult) https://twitter.com/SofaMan/status/791580903021563904 https://twitter.com/SofaMan/status/791580903021563904 , https://twitter.com/L0uisCouture/status/735112931306803200 https://twitter.com/L0uisCouture/status/735112931306803200 , https://twitter.com/aisling206/status/793116826637111302 https://twitter.com/aisling206/status/793116826637111302 , https://twitter.com/Meghatron5/status/759093344865808385 https://twitter.com/Meghatron5/status/759093344865808385 , https://twitter.com/_chrishaynes/status/736370080875843585 https://twitter.com/_chrishaynes/status/736370080875843585 , https://twitter.com/PeachyKeenGreat/status/623500847490576384 https://twitter.com/PeachyKeenGreat/status/62350084749057638... , https://twitter.com/elizabethveldon/status/530714111068618752 https://twitter.com/elizabethveldon/status/53071411106861875... The tag didn't really catch on, so let's get off Twitter. [4] http://thegeekiary.com/im-proud-to-be-a-social-justice-warrior/24830 http://thegeekiary.com/im-proud-to-be-a-social-justice-warri... [5] Let's check the SJW-wiki: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Social_justice_warrior >The reclamation of the term has spread to people who have never had it used upon them, and as a result, it is seen by many social justice advocates as a legitimate and accepted label for people who promote social justice. This has, in many circles (for example, Tumblr), heavily mitigated its pejoration, and consequently, heavily increased its positive usage by SJWs themselves Okay, actually this is boring. You don't care and have already convinced yourself - abandoning the principle of charity. So we'll leave it at this I guess.
  - zzalpha 10y ago
    Riiiight. So because the n-word and the f-word have been reclaimed by their communities, I shouldn't assume that folks not in those communities aren't still using the term in a derogatory fashion? Please. Go back and read the original post. SJW was not being used with a positive connotation in context, and to suggest otherwise is just being willfully stubborn simply to make a point.
75j 10y ago
> History has a historically thin line between "these people are bad" and "these people are bad and we should round them up and kill them". When people actively use the rhetoric of the latter, I listen and grow concerned... This makes sense. Sorry for being overly confrontational in my last post. I do agree that the language and tactics used by the far-left (which I'm very much a part of) can be silly or even slimy at times. I certainly took issue with the language that liberals used to describe conservatives in this most recent election. Overall though, knowing quite a few people from college who are stereotypical SJWs, they are mostly harmless. A lot of them really do have a rough past, and aren't the privileged "special snowflakes" that the alt-right makes them out to be. Many people like the idea of a trigger warning, for example, because they really did experience something deeply traumatic, but you'll never discover that about them by hurling insults. And also many of these people tend to be socially awkward, and when I see people lashing out online about "tumblrinas" or whatever, it just feels like a continuation of the bullying that these people probably faced in childhood.