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Unfortunately those were the pubic positions not the private ones.

by cmdrfred 10y ago

mixedCase 10y ago
And ajross chose to ignore the private positions because they were in "the emailz". How fitting.
- jjawssd 10y ago
  "the emailz" are more than just emails. national secrets and corruption have been exposed in the emails
- ajross 10y ago
  You don't need to do this anymore. She lost. We're all suitably punished already. How about you spend your time making us LIKE your candidate instead, like for example explaining how Trump isn't going to enact racial cleansing or set environmental protection rulemaking back 20 years?
  - mixedCase 10y ago
    > You don't need to do this anymore. She lost. We're all suitably punished already. There's a lot to talk still about her e-mails and Podesta's; specially the latter's where we've found truly vomit-inducing stuff that demands an investigation. Law doesn't end with the elections, and that goes for both candidates, with President-elect facing the Trump U case later this month as well (for which I believe there was no wrongdoing, but it is up to the law to determine that). > like for example explaining how Trump isn't going to enact racial cleansing Okay I'm going to entertain your headcanon for a second here and ask you what led you to believe the guy is going to enact racial fucking cleansing. > or set environmental protection rulemaking back 20 years I disagree with many of his stances on the environment actually. But he's not going to tear down any nuclear plants and substitute them with coal either. Until China entertains the idea of going green you won't be solving any problems anytime soon by killing your economy for small gains. If anything's gonna get us anywhere regarding this problem, it's solar's constantly increasing ROI.
    - ajross 10y ago
      OK, explain how he's not going to deport 11 million people, including many of my friends and neighbors. My son had a play date with one of these folks children just last week. If "ethnic cleansing" doesn't qualify, then pick your own terminology and TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD SAY TO MY KID ABOUT THIS. Seriously, and in genuine interest here: what do I say? Your friend is getting kicked out? His family are illegals and "we" don't want them? How do I explain this? For the record: I haven't. He hasn't heard the story elsewhere yet, and frankly I don't know what I'm going to say when he does.
      - cmdrfred 10y ago
        Obama is an ethnic cleanser? "the so-called soft-on-immigration Obama administration deported more unauthorized immigrants during its first six years than the Republican George W. Bush administration did over its full eight." https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/obama-deported-record-number-immigrants-trump-claim-article-1.2774180 https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/poli...
        ajross 10y ago
        Good talking point. The current situation is indeed bad enough. But Trump promised to do far, far more than Obama ever has. What do I say to my kid? That Trump didn't mean it and it probably won't happen? (That's my current plan.)
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        Why not try the truth? "Son, most people in the world don't have the opportunity you and I have. You see we live in one of the wealthiest nations on the planet and we are very lucky to be here. So, it is only natural that people who are not from here wish to come here. We used to make this easier for them, but over the years that process became so expensive and cumbersome that some of them decided to simply walk across the border. Now they were technically breaking the law when they did that, but it is understandable given the lack of opportunity where they came from. As the law stands they are here illegally. Now, the Republicans tell their voters that they wish to deport these people, often that doesn't happen because they want them to stick around and work on their farms and factories. On the other hand the Democrats claim they want to help these people, but right now a Democratic president has deported record numbers of them for some reason. The truth is these people don't get a vote in our society, so the politicians simply don't care about them. Both sides use them as a political tool to advance their ambitions, and that's wrong. Grow up to be better than them."

Unfortunately those were the pubic positions not the private ones.

mixedCase 10y ago

And ajross chose to ignore the private positions because they were in "the emailz". How fitting.

jjawssd 10y ago
"the emailz" are more than just emails. national secrets and corruption have been exposed in the emails
ajross 10y ago
You don't need to do this anymore. She lost. We're all suitably punished already. How about you spend your time making us LIKE your candidate instead, like for example explaining how Trump isn't going to enact racial cleansing or set environmental protection rulemaking back 20 years?
- mixedCase 10y ago
  > You don't need to do this anymore. She lost. We're all suitably punished already. There's a lot to talk still about her e-mails and Podesta's; specially the latter's where we've found truly vomit-inducing stuff that demands an investigation. Law doesn't end with the elections, and that goes for both candidates, with President-elect facing the Trump U case later this month as well (for which I believe there was no wrongdoing, but it is up to the law to determine that). > like for example explaining how Trump isn't going to enact racial cleansing Okay I'm going to entertain your headcanon for a second here and ask you what led you to believe the guy is going to enact racial fucking cleansing. > or set environmental protection rulemaking back 20 years I disagree with many of his stances on the environment actually. But he's not going to tear down any nuclear plants and substitute them with coal either. Until China entertains the idea of going green you won't be solving any problems anytime soon by killing your economy for small gains. If anything's gonna get us anywhere regarding this problem, it's solar's constantly increasing ROI.
  - ajross 10y ago
    OK, explain how he's not going to deport 11 million people, including many of my friends and neighbors. My son had a play date with one of these folks children just last week. If "ethnic cleansing" doesn't qualify, then pick your own terminology and TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD SAY TO MY KID ABOUT THIS. Seriously, and in genuine interest here: what do I say? Your friend is getting kicked out? His family are illegals and "we" don't want them? How do I explain this? For the record: I haven't. He hasn't heard the story elsewhere yet, and frankly I don't know what I'm going to say when he does.
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      Obama is an ethnic cleanser? "the so-called soft-on-immigration Obama administration deported more unauthorized immigrants during its first six years than the Republican George W. Bush administration did over its full eight." https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/obama-deported-record-number-immigrants-trump-claim-article-1.2774180 https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/poli...
      - ajross 10y ago
        Good talking point. The current situation is indeed bad enough. But Trump promised to do far, far more than Obama ever has. What do I say to my kid? That Trump didn't mean it and it probably won't happen? (That's my current plan.)
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        Why not try the truth? "Son, most people in the world don't have the opportunity you and I have. You see we live in one of the wealthiest nations on the planet and we are very lucky to be here. So, it is only natural that people who are not from here wish to come here. We used to make this easier for them, but over the years that process became so expensive and cumbersome that some of them decided to simply walk across the border. Now they were technically breaking the law when they did that, but it is understandable given the lack of opportunity where they came from. As the law stands they are here illegally. Now, the Republicans tell their voters that they wish to deport these people, often that doesn't happen because they want them to stick around and work on their farms and factories. On the other hand the Democrats claim they want to help these people, but right now a Democratic president has deported record numbers of them for some reason. The truth is these people don't get a vote in our society, so the politicians simply don't care about them. Both sides use them as a political tool to advance their ambitions, and that's wrong. Grow up to be better than them."