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>No, lock him up to prevent him committing more crimes. for how long, indefinitely?

• ars 10y ago
  > indefinitely Yes. 144 crimes? He's not going to stop, so yes, indefinitely. This isn't about punishing him, it's about keeping him away from everyone else.
  • wnevets 10y ago
    So child molesters and murders will get out of prison before someone who commits a lot of petty crimes. That doesn't sound very logical to me.
    • ars 10y ago
      There are two goals: Punishment and Prevention (also deterrence and rehabilitation, but I'm ignoring those). For child molesters and murder, the goal is punishment, and then it's a specific amount of years which are determined as an appropriate punishment. But here the goal is prevention. The two categories can not be compared to each other because they are not the same. They have different goals, target different people, and have different time frames. They just both happen to be implemented via jail which leads you to compare them, but it doesn't have to be that way - for example punishment can be corporal, and prevention can theoretically be done other ways (none practical at the moment, but things like an AI that watches behavior and stops the person or sounds an alarm may be possible in the future).
      • wnevets 10y ago
        >There are two goals: Punishment and Prevention (also deterrence and rehabilitation, but I'm ignoring those). Well there's your problem, those are usually the goals of justice systems in places like the US. The entire point of this artical that those aren't the goals for the dutch
        • ars 10y ago
          You think I didn't think of that? The example at hand was an example of a clear failure of rehabilitation. And when that happened the Dutch had no legal ability (or perhaps desire) to deal with it.