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Our media, government and education systems are corrupt.

shepardrtc 10y ago
There are definitely issues, but compare it to a third-world country and you'll see that its pretty good. Not perfect, but overall, good.
- exstudent2 10y ago
  I would definitely classify them as terrible and oppressive not "good". It has (had?) reached a point where you could literally lose your job for saying on Twitter that you support Trump. You would certainly be punished professionally for it. The media and our university system are very much at fault for creating such a culture of intolerance.
  - nickpsecurity 10y ago
    You've been caught in an echo chamber giving you biased info like many liberals. In the South, saying you're for Obama or Hillary can get the same results. You also get deleted off many people's social media if you push them on it. This is one of those things that happens on both sides but the echo chambers tell each it only happens to theirs. Keeps people's attention, ad revenue goes up, and great divide remains strong.
    - exstudent2 10y ago
      Sadly the echo chamber I'm trapped in is our industry. If it were just a choice of media or people I knew from high school I wouldn't care. It's appalling to me that any political opinion can terminate your hard earned career in tech just because the people at the top feel they have a monopoly on the truth. This attitude is cultivated by the media and the universities they attended, which is why I view them as the root of corruption.
      - nickpsecurity 10y ago
        Oh, I might have misread you. So, you're saying the jobs you've worked disallowed all politics except stuff they dictated? That would be bad, too. The universities can make it worse.
        exstudent2 10y ago
        Yes precisely. It's ok to talk about supporting Clinton but saying you support Trump brings instant retribution. I don't support either and even that wasn't something I could publicly state without great risk. Just like look at some VC's Twitter accounts.
        nickpsecurity 10y ago
        The funny thing is that the VC model of maximizing the return on investment for a few while giving little to the many is the prime M.O. of Republican business. They also tend to target middle class and up in their offerings rather than aiding the poor. Hell, even the VC model promising it will deliver enough unicorns to make up for the others the fund loses money on is reminiscent of real estate promises & profit extraction of Trump's. Just quite a bit less bullshit and more well-off people getting results on Silicon Valley's end of that. ;) So, they can't talk down to Trump supporters in businesses given all the overlap created by their elites extracting profits from bubbles or uncertain markets they create with little concern for others. There's certainly differences like with the immigration discussion. There's more common ground than they'd like to admit, though. Except for Thiel whose seems to be clear that Trump and his interests align. It might just be Thiel's personality but the business strategies match, too. That part was barely discussed here at least when I was in the YC vs Thiel threads.
        LBXrRkxx 10y ago
        It's EXACTLY as much bullshit.
        nickpsecurity 10y ago

There are definitely issues, but compare it to a third-world country and you'll see that its pretty good. Not perfect, but overall, good.

exstudent2 10y ago
I would definitely classify them as terrible and oppressive not "good". It has (had?) reached a point where you could literally lose your job for saying on Twitter that you support Trump. You would certainly be punished professionally for it. The media and our university system are very much at fault for creating such a culture of intolerance.
- nickpsecurity 10y ago
  You've been caught in an echo chamber giving you biased info like many liberals. In the South, saying you're for Obama or Hillary can get the same results. You also get deleted off many people's social media if you push them on it. This is one of those things that happens on both sides but the echo chambers tell each it only happens to theirs. Keeps people's attention, ad revenue goes up, and great divide remains strong.
  - exstudent2 10y ago
    Sadly the echo chamber I'm trapped in is our industry. If it were just a choice of media or people I knew from high school I wouldn't care. It's appalling to me that any political opinion can terminate your hard earned career in tech just because the people at the top feel they have a monopoly on the truth. This attitude is cultivated by the media and the universities they attended, which is why I view them as the root of corruption.
    - nickpsecurity 10y ago
      Oh, I might have misread you. So, you're saying the jobs you've worked disallowed all politics except stuff they dictated? That would be bad, too. The universities can make it worse.
      - exstudent2 10y ago
        Yes precisely. It's ok to talk about supporting Clinton but saying you support Trump brings instant retribution. I don't support either and even that wasn't something I could publicly state without great risk. Just like look at some VC's Twitter accounts.
        nickpsecurity 10y ago
        The funny thing is that the VC model of maximizing the return on investment for a few while giving little to the many is the prime M.O. of Republican business. They also tend to target middle class and up in their offerings rather than aiding the poor. Hell, even the VC model promising it will deliver enough unicorns to make up for the others the fund loses money on is reminiscent of real estate promises & profit extraction of Trump's. Just quite a bit less bullshit and more well-off people getting results on Silicon Valley's end of that. ;) So, they can't talk down to Trump supporters in businesses given all the overlap created by their elites extracting profits from bubbles or uncertain markets they create with little concern for others. There's certainly differences like with the immigration discussion. There's more common ground than they'd like to admit, though. Except for Thiel whose seems to be clear that Trump and his interests align. It might just be Thiel's personality but the business strategies match, too. That part was barely discussed here at least when I was in the YC vs Thiel threads.
        LBXrRkxx 10y ago
        It's EXACTLY as much bullshit.
        nickpsecurity 10y ago