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>Is that how they want to show the rest of America the way forward? Just because you win an election doesn't mean suddenly everyone is forced to agree with you

>Is that how they want to show the rest of America the way forward? Just because you win an election doesn't mean suddenly everyone is forced to agree with your odious views. The way forward for them is to protest and point out the flaws in the Trump policies and his presidency. To pressure the electorate and politicians that, no we aren't on board with a radical conservative restructuring of our society. Don't expect to suppress dissent with some kind of bullshit "respect the office" argument. Democracies thrive on disagreement and political change. These people are engaging in their right to self-assembly and protest. It will not go away. Trump supporters will need to deal with this. Its clear that you're trying to legitimize a novelty protest vote via this kind of 'concern troll' attitude and it just won't work. People aren't going to suddenly roll with the Trump agenda because you want everyone to play nice. I think you have to realize that political change isn't about winning one election. The process involves and endless push back via many mechanisms, including protest.

mc32 10y ago
Definitely protest and voice difference in opinion, engage your representatives. But this kind of visceral reaction goes both ways. I really have to disagree when people think violence is the way out (whether it's far-right militias of far-left destructive demonstrations). It's _counter-productive_, it obscures your point of view. You cannot do things in a vacuum. You have the rest of the people to contend with. What, 53% of white women voted for him, ~30% of Hispanics voted for him, more blacks voted for him than Romney --so despite all the negativity thrown his way and how people lean naturally politically, he won greater percentages of those constituencies. Obviously they don't see him as much as a devil as you do. You may have a particular issue you have dear to your heart, and I accept that, but you have to have other people see your point of view rather then fear your point of view.
- mcphage 10y ago
  > Obviously they don't see him as much as a devil as you do. He didn't position himself as a threat to white people, especially white men, to the degree that he did to minorities, the LBGT community, and other groups.
  - mc32 10y ago
    I didn't hear anti-LGBTQ rhetoric from him, if anything he showed the opposite inviting Thiel and Jenner. More white women voted for him than Hillary, ~30% Hispanics voted for him despite doomsday rhetoric from Spanish language media and his very light campaigning in LatAm dominant neighborhoods, so many people you imply would /should see him as a threat did not. More blacks voted for him than Romney, etc.
    - mcphage 10y ago
      > I didn't hear anti-LGBTQ rhetoric from him Here's a good summary of his position on the topic: http://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2016/aug/14/sean-patrick-maloney/donald-trump-against-same-sex-marriage/#sharethefacts http://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2016/aug/14/se... In addition, Pence has a history of anti-LGBT behavior as well.
      - gingerrr 10y ago
        Pence is the real LGBTQ scare factor for this new administration. In 2000 he ran on the platform of redirecting HIV/AIDS treatment funding to conversion therapy [1], among many many other anti-LGBT comments and promises, and continued during his governorship to attempt to legislate bigotry against LGBT people (like banning gay marriage and promoting "religious freedom" to discriminate). When taken in consideration of how much leeway to decide domestic policy that Trump has promised to give him, Pence is a seriously scary VP for queer people everywhere in the US. -- [1]: http://web.archive.org/web/20010408125427/http://mikepence.com/issues.html http://web.archive.org/web/20010408125427/http://mikepence.c...
      - mc32 10y ago
        I agree that Pence is a concern. His influence on this topic on the admin remains to be seen. I strongly hope he does not have enough say to take us backward. Trump's answers in those interviews don't sound much different from the ones we heard from Hillary or Obama back when they could not favor gay marriage either --but they've moved on and it looks like Trump has moved on (still, what he might do as policy is unknown, for now).

mc32 10y ago

Definitely protest and voice difference in opinion, engage your representatives. But this kind of visceral reaction goes both ways. I really have to disagree when people think violence is the way out (whether it's far-right militias of far-left destructive demonstrations). It's _counter-productive_, it obscures your point of view. You cannot do things in a vacuum. You have the rest of the people to contend with. What, 53% of white women voted for him, ~30% of Hispanics voted for him, more blacks voted for him than Romney --so despite all the negativity thrown his way and how people lean naturally politically, he won greater percentages of those constituencies. Obviously they don't see him as much as a devil as you do. You may have a particular issue you have dear to your heart, and I accept that, but you have to have other people see your point of view rather then fear your point of view.

mcphage 10y ago
> Obviously they don't see him as much as a devil as you do. He didn't position himself as a threat to white people, especially white men, to the degree that he did to minorities, the LBGT community, and other groups.
- mc32 10y ago
  I didn't hear anti-LGBTQ rhetoric from him, if anything he showed the opposite inviting Thiel and Jenner. More white women voted for him than Hillary, ~30% Hispanics voted for him despite doomsday rhetoric from Spanish language media and his very light campaigning in LatAm dominant neighborhoods, so many people you imply would /should see him as a threat did not. More blacks voted for him than Romney, etc.
  - mcphage 10y ago
    > I didn't hear anti-LGBTQ rhetoric from him Here's a good summary of his position on the topic: http://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2016/aug/14/sean-patrick-maloney/donald-trump-against-same-sex-marriage/#sharethefacts http://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2016/aug/14/se... In addition, Pence has a history of anti-LGBT behavior as well.
    - gingerrr 10y ago
      Pence is the real LGBTQ scare factor for this new administration. In 2000 he ran on the platform of redirecting HIV/AIDS treatment funding to conversion therapy [1], among many many other anti-LGBT comments and promises, and continued during his governorship to attempt to legislate bigotry against LGBT people (like banning gay marriage and promoting "religious freedom" to discriminate). When taken in consideration of how much leeway to decide domestic policy that Trump has promised to give him, Pence is a seriously scary VP for queer people everywhere in the US. -- [1]: http://web.archive.org/web/20010408125427/http://mikepence.com/issues.html http://web.archive.org/web/20010408125427/http://mikepence.c...
    - mc32 10y ago
      I agree that Pence is a concern. His influence on this topic on the admin remains to be seen. I strongly hope he does not have enough say to take us backward. Trump's answers in those interviews don't sound much different from the ones we heard from Hillary or Obama back when they could not favor gay marriage either --but they've moved on and it looks like Trump has moved on (still, what he might do as policy is unknown, for now).