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>I don't recall people demonstrating and burning garbage cans and burning his effigy and chanting #notmypresident. Then you weren't paying attention. A quick g

by kej 10y ago

>I don't recall people demonstrating and burning garbage cans and burning his effigy and chanting #notmypresident. Then you weren't paying attention. A quick google of "obama not my president -trump" or "obama effigy" will show you plenty of examples, with the bonus racism of hanging the effigy from a tree like they did back in the day. Here [1] is a 2009 Psychology Today article about the "not my president" phenomenon. In the late '90s there were anti-Clinton "My President is Charlton Heston" bumper stickers [2], referring to his position in the NRA. I'm not justifying people's actions today, and I don't think it's a productive way to move forward, but it's also definitely not a new development. [1] https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-meaning-in-life/200903/not-my-president https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-meaning-in-life/200... [2] https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-bumper-sticker-charlton-heston-right-wing-president-politics-27066380.html https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-bumper-sticker-charlton-he...

mc32 10y ago
I think there is a difference. Those were more isolated incidents --they were not mass protests on the day after the election. I mean in the least it shows them in no better light than the worst form the far-right. Is that how they want to show the rest of America the way forward?
- drzaiusapelord 10y ago
  >Is that how they want to show the rest of America the way forward? Just because you win an election doesn't mean suddenly everyone is forced to agree with your odious views. The way forward for them is to protest and point out the flaws in the Trump policies and his presidency. To pressure the electorate and politicians that, no we aren't on board with a radical conservative restructuring of our society. Don't expect to suppress dissent with some kind of bullshit "respect the office" argument. Democracies thrive on disagreement and political change. These people are engaging in their right to self-assembly and protest. It will not go away. Trump supporters will need to deal with this. Its clear that you're trying to legitimize a novelty protest vote via this kind of 'concern troll' attitude and it just won't work. People aren't going to suddenly roll with the Trump agenda because you want everyone to play nice. I think you have to realize that political change isn't about winning one election. The process involves and endless push back via many mechanisms, including protest.
  - mc32 10y ago
    Definitely protest and voice difference in opinion, engage your representatives. But this kind of visceral reaction goes both ways. I really have to disagree when people think violence is the way out (whether it's far-right militias of far-left destructive demonstrations). It's _counter-productive_, it obscures your point of view. You cannot do things in a vacuum. You have the rest of the people to contend with. What, 53% of white women voted for him, ~30% of Hispanics voted for him, more blacks voted for him than Romney --so despite all the negativity thrown his way and how people lean naturally politically, he won greater percentages of those constituencies. Obviously they don't see him as much as a devil as you do. You may have a particular issue you have dear to your heart, and I accept that, but you have to have other people see your point of view rather then fear your point of view.
    - mcphage 10y ago
      > Obviously they don't see him as much as a devil as you do. He didn't position himself as a threat to white people, especially white men, to the degree that he did to minorities, the LBGT community, and other groups.
      - mc32 10y ago
        I didn't hear anti-LGBTQ rhetoric from him, if anything he showed the opposite inviting Thiel and Jenner. More white women voted for him than Hillary, ~30% Hispanics voted for him despite doomsday rhetoric from Spanish language media and his very light campaigning in LatAm dominant neighborhoods, so many people you imply would /should see him as a threat did not. More blacks voted for him than Romney, etc.
        mcphage 10y ago
        > I didn't hear anti-LGBTQ rhetoric from him Here's a good summary of his position on the topic: http://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2016/aug/14/sean-patrick-maloney/donald-trump-against-same-sex-marriage/#sharethefacts http://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2016/aug/14/se... In addition, Pence has a history of anti-LGBT behavior as well.

by kej 10y ago

mc32 10y ago

I think there is a difference. Those were more isolated incidents --they were not mass protests on the day after the election. I mean in the least it shows them in no better light than the worst form the far-right. Is that how they want to show the rest of America the way forward?

drzaiusapelord 10y ago
>Is that how they want to show the rest of America the way forward? Just because you win an election doesn't mean suddenly everyone is forced to agree with your odious views. The way forward for them is to protest and point out the flaws in the Trump policies and his presidency. To pressure the electorate and politicians that, no we aren't on board with a radical conservative restructuring of our society. Don't expect to suppress dissent with some kind of bullshit "respect the office" argument. Democracies thrive on disagreement and political change. These people are engaging in their right to self-assembly and protest. It will not go away. Trump supporters will need to deal with this. Its clear that you're trying to legitimize a novelty protest vote via this kind of 'concern troll' attitude and it just won't work. People aren't going to suddenly roll with the Trump agenda because you want everyone to play nice. I think you have to realize that political change isn't about winning one election. The process involves and endless push back via many mechanisms, including protest.
- mc32 10y ago
  Definitely protest and voice difference in opinion, engage your representatives. But this kind of visceral reaction goes both ways. I really have to disagree when people think violence is the way out (whether it's far-right militias of far-left destructive demonstrations). It's _counter-productive_, it obscures your point of view. You cannot do things in a vacuum. You have the rest of the people to contend with. What, 53% of white women voted for him, ~30% of Hispanics voted for him, more blacks voted for him than Romney --so despite all the negativity thrown his way and how people lean naturally politically, he won greater percentages of those constituencies. Obviously they don't see him as much as a devil as you do. You may have a particular issue you have dear to your heart, and I accept that, but you have to have other people see your point of view rather then fear your point of view.
  - mcphage 10y ago
    > Obviously they don't see him as much as a devil as you do. He didn't position himself as a threat to white people, especially white men, to the degree that he did to minorities, the LBGT community, and other groups.
    - mc32 10y ago
      I didn't hear anti-LGBTQ rhetoric from him, if anything he showed the opposite inviting Thiel and Jenner. More white women voted for him than Hillary, ~30% Hispanics voted for him despite doomsday rhetoric from Spanish language media and his very light campaigning in LatAm dominant neighborhoods, so many people you imply would /should see him as a threat did not. More blacks voted for him than Romney, etc.
      - mcphage 10y ago
        > I didn't hear anti-LGBTQ rhetoric from him Here's a good summary of his position on the topic: http://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2016/aug/14/sean-patrick-maloney/donald-trump-against-same-sex-marriage/#sharethefacts http://www.politifact.com/new-york/statements/2016/aug/14/se... In addition, Pence has a history of anti-LGBT behavior as well.