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Obama didn't lose the popular vote when he was elected though. That seems to make a huge difference.

mc32 10y ago
Maybe.. maybe, but it's not secret this is how the system works. It was front and center in 2000 --a year of utmost disappointment to me --I even blamed good old Nader. But I know it was truly Gore's fault. He just didn't convince enough people --that was _his_ job to do. And he failed. So, here, it is no surprise. We know how the system works --there is no reason to cry when you know how the system works but it goes against you. It's sour grapes.
- WayneBro 10y ago
  > but it's not secret this is how the system works. But what do you expect people to do when they're unhappy with how it works? Do you expect them to calmly organize and use lobbying to affect change? No. You do not. Nobody does. People don't know how to do that. People do know how to complain loudly though. So that's what is happening. > there is no reason to cry when you know how the system works but it goes against you. There absolutely is a reason. That's how change starts. > So, here, it is no surprise. And neither should you be surprised at people crying about it, IMO.
  - mc32 10y ago
    The electorate changes, its demographics change, people need to adjust. Hispanics are more naturally conservative and mostly align with Dems at the moment because of immigration policies and social issues. But as they Americanize, LatAms, at least so far, tend to not care about immigration issues as much and tend toward the view of a fair visa system and rely less on state services, as they integrate. As this happens, Hispanics eventually are likely to break even just like the rest of the population. Then people on one side or the other will prefer electoral votes over pop votes again. So, you see, a gen or so, we're likely to see Hispanics move to the right, and then the Dems will find a reason to antagonize their new views (like they now antagonize their previous pet group, the working class union workers who abandoned them).
swissoak 10y ago
Still a lot of uncounted votes. Plenty of sites projecting Trump to win popular vote, including CNN.

mc32 10y ago

Maybe.. maybe, but it's not secret this is how the system works. It was front and center in 2000 --a year of utmost disappointment to me --I even blamed good old Nader. But I know it was truly Gore's fault. He just didn't convince enough people --that was _his_ job to do. And he failed. So, here, it is no surprise. We know how the system works --there is no reason to cry when you know how the system works but it goes against you. It's sour grapes.

WayneBro 10y ago
> but it's not secret this is how the system works. But what do you expect people to do when they're unhappy with how it works? Do you expect them to calmly organize and use lobbying to affect change? No. You do not. Nobody does. People don't know how to do that. People do know how to complain loudly though. So that's what is happening. > there is no reason to cry when you know how the system works but it goes against you. There absolutely is a reason. That's how change starts. > So, here, it is no surprise. And neither should you be surprised at people crying about it, IMO.
- mc32 10y ago
  The electorate changes, its demographics change, people need to adjust. Hispanics are more naturally conservative and mostly align with Dems at the moment because of immigration policies and social issues. But as they Americanize, LatAms, at least so far, tend to not care about immigration issues as much and tend toward the view of a fair visa system and rely less on state services, as they integrate. As this happens, Hispanics eventually are likely to break even just like the rest of the population. Then people on one side or the other will prefer electoral votes over pop votes again. So, you see, a gen or so, we're likely to see Hispanics move to the right, and then the Dems will find a reason to antagonize their new views (like they now antagonize their previous pet group, the working class union workers who abandoned them).

swissoak 10y ago

Still a lot of uncounted votes. Plenty of sites projecting Trump to win popular vote, including CNN.